Armenia Declares Martial Law & TOTAL MOBILIZATION Against Azerbaijan

No nation will permit that, particularly not the ones you specify

 

I could read your posts all day long, Jeannette... very much more interesting than all the dry, forgotten histories that we in the States have typically been unexposed to anyway. And, like other Americans, I'm as ignorant of all this as the rest of us -- but -- I study Vladimir Putin fairly closely, along with Russian General of the Army, Sergey Shoygu, and the man who may be the most intelligent of them all: FSB Director, Aleksandr Bortnikov.

It appears to my uneducated mind that Turkey will back Azerbaijan, and that Russia appears to be siding, reluctantly, with Armenia.

Putin would probably rather not have to bother with this "tempest in a teapot" and focus instead on what's 'gone into the ditch' with Germany, the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, and all this latest 'marionette show' involving the poisoning of Alexei Navalny.

I have had grudging respect for German Kanzlerin, Angela Merkel... perhaps the best of a bad (very bad) European lot of 'leaders' . But it's almost impossible to believe that the Bundesnachrichtendienst is telling her that the FSB used a relic like "Novichok" to poison anybody. Methinks someone in Berlin has been reading too many Agatha Christie stories....

 

Azerbiazan is Shia so they have never really been that close to Sunni Turkey. Armenia was having games with Iran so as to hold back Turkey's ambitions in the area - which as we see didn't work. Turkey has been supplying Azerbiazan with arms for a while now and no doubt encouraging them.

I read that the media and people are beating war drums, probably because of their hatred towards the Armenians.

 

So how's the war going? Any sense of which side is losing territory?

 

I have news for you, the Armenians are not the aggressors - nor have they ever been. They are defending the Armenian people of Nogorno Karabach from a take over by Azerbiajan. That Turkey has gotten itself involved, makes the situation even more dire.

 

Considering Russia is involved, albeit indirectly, makes it doubtful that Azerbiajan will gain anything. I think its in the Security Council today - so let's see what happens.

 

I don't know, legally, where things will settle out with this right now. I'm talking about on-the-ground advances / retreats / losses. Last I heard, Armenia admitted they had lost several "positions". Have they been able to reverse those losses on the battlefield yet or are they still losing territory?

ETA: BBC reported this:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54338454

And yes, I recognize that is one side claiming losses by the other side, so it's rather suspect.

ETA2: Guardian reports this:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/28/dozens-dead-as-armenia-azerbaijan-clashes-continue

 

According to the Greek news it's a massacre on both side. Neither side is taking prisoners. It is though an existential threat to the Armenians, since the Azerbajainis have said they want to ethnically cleanse Nogorno Karabach.

 

The Armenians say a Turkish F-16 shot down one of their SU-25s (in Armenian airspace):

https://armenpress.am/eng/news/1029472.html

That would be a pretty significant escalation.

 

Let the Russians sort this one out.

 

It is Russia's problem.

 

I'm listening.

That's not "news".

I know. But sooner or later the Armenians will have to do something more decisive.

 

All I know is that it sure as **** isn't our problem.

 

"Ours" on the forum?

 

Yeah and the wars in Chechnya weren't our problem either, so why were our CIA agents there? In the meantime Erdogan said if the Armenians attack Azerbiazan they are attacking Turkey. But then again Erdogan says a lot of things.

Anyway this is from the Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova.

"The downing of an Armenian SU-25 fighter by a Turkish F-16, as claimed by the Armenian Ministry of Defense, is said to complicate the situation, as Moscow, under the Tashkent Treaty, is obliged to provide military assistance to Armenia, "​

Turkey denies that they shot down the fighter. But then again Turkey does say a lot of things.

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That's exactly what I am thinking. "Not our problem"? That's a side-step. If you punch me in the nose and I end up in a coma .... I guess it's not "your" problem, huh. Unless the judge condemns you to prison for it, the problem of my medical condition is not your problem. The condition of life in Cuba is not "our problem" either, huh?

 

First you have to learn that Armenia is an occupier. Karabakh is not recognized as independent state by international communitty. It is a de facto state.

If you support it to be recognized then it is a true example for North Cyprus to be recognized.

Azerbaijan simply wants Armenian forces to leave from her lands. That's very understandable. UN also had decisions against Armenian forces to withdraw from region.


Second Turkey did not send there any fighters and I am not surprising your bullshit propaganda that truely shows your ignorance. Turkey is one of the countries that fought against ISIS most, apart from PKK.

Azerbaijan is not only our ally, they are Turkic brothers (our languages are intelligible) , we sell weapons to them they also buy weapons from Israel and Western Countries.

Azerbaijan is also ally of Israel. And she has enough power to protect herself.

 

They are telling lies to World to get support from international community. If we really wanted to do that, our drone army would end this war in a few days.

Turkey is so bussy with her problems

 

We DEPORTED them from out of country because they sided with Russians in World War I and they started to attack our people. That's why in state of California there are over 1 million Armenians live in. Also in France and Argentina and Russia so one. Kim Kardesian is also granddoughter of those deported ones.

Some thousands of them were died, on the other hands thousands of Turks and Kurds died, they were killed by Armenian gangs. It was a war and there was no systematic genocide.

And Kurds settled those regions today and as a propagander, you should decide to call region as Western Armenia or Kurdistan ? ? ? Which one ? LOL ))

 

But the Turkish Cypriots at the time were 11% of the population, and the Turkish occupiers of 1/3 of the island brought Turks in from the mainland to take over the homes of the Greeks that were killed and ethnically cleansed.

In the case of Nogorno Karabach, the Armenians are the indigenous people. Putin said that when Lenin created Republics, that they were allowed to secede. But he only gave the smaller groups such as the Armenians in Nogorno Karabach autonomy, and by doing so he lit a fire under the Soviet Union.

Yet the Azeris have said many times that they want to ethnically cleanse the Armenians from Nogorno Azerbaizan so to them it's an existential threat. Look when a country wants people to remain and not to secede, then they should make it beneficial and profitable to them - instead of becoming paranoid and start killing them.

Then why were the ISIS fighters entering Syria from Turkey? Weren't they facilitating the Turks in fighting the Kurds? Also at the time that ISIS had taken over much of Syria, why did Fidan the head of the MIT say in Istanbul that it wasn't right that they didn't have a consulate since they have all the organization of a national state?

Naturally it was hushed up quickly - as Hurriyet was eventually, which cost me my favorite writer/satirist. I hope he escaped and is not languishing now in jail.

I'm aware the Azeri's speak the same language, even though they are not Sunni. I'm also aware from a link by a poster that Israel sells them weapons - probably from the money Merkel gives to Turkey.

Azerbaijan doesn't need protection, they're the aggressors remember?

 

During WWI, the US did not declare war on the Ottoman Empire even though they were allied with Germany. It's because we had thousands of charitable schools, hospitals and orphanages. So even though the Americans there were clamoring for us to do something to save the Armenian people, the fear though was that if we declared war the Turks would start killing all the Americans.

I have below a book written by the Consul General of Smyrna (Izmir) at the time of the ethnic cleansing of the city. It has all the accounts not from the Greeks or Armenians who suffered, but by reputable Americans and Europeans as to what they saw with their own eyes. Everything is in our Library of Congress.

You can read the book here. If you want, you can fast forward to page 12.

https://archive.org/details/blightofasiaacco00hort/page/n15/mode/2up

 

You realize that Armenia has a defense agreement with Russia? What good are the drones if Russian tanks start rolling into Azerbiazan - or better yet, if the drones turn around and start attacking Azerbiazan? You know there's a Greek saying: Mi les megala loyia that translates into: 'Don't say big words'.

 

Greek were not ethnically cleaned in Cyprus. It is your propaganda as you are Greek American you love to make propaganda.

This is off-topic but should be replied. Cyprus was tried to unite with Greece by Greek military junta. And EOKA militants attempted to make genocide against Turkish community thats why Turkey invaded there. Greeks also ignore identity of Turkish Cypriots, their language and their religious freedom.

and problem can be solved easilly, if Greeks respects rights of Turkish Cypriots there would be no Cyprus issue any more.

Armenians have been settled the region since 19 th century and they settled there especially during soviet time. Karabakh was the heart of historic Azerbaijan states such as Akkoyunlu, Karakoyunlu and shah Ismael's Safevid dynasty. Have you ever heard that ?

Azerbaijan says them "leave/withdraw your armed from my land otherwise we will not stop". And they are rightful.
This does not mean ethnic cleansing - it is your understanding.
And Armenians hit Azerbaijani school today and killed children today. Since you are not objective you never talk about those realities.

We have no wall at our border or a mine field.
We can not control and stop illegal passing. We opened border refuges and it was easy to pass for many hidden terrorists as well.

ISIS made terrorist attacks to my country MORE THAN ANY COUNTY and your arguments make no sense.

Aggressor and occupier Armenia started this battle with support of France's Macron . He lost positions at Libya and east Mediterranean and he feels pain for that .

France is the secret player of aggressors.

 

And we are at NATO. that's why we are not side of battle but we supply medicine, technical equipment and weapons as well as Israel does.

 

Greek army slaughtered Turks during occupation and Turks killed Greeks in Symra as a revenge.

However today, Greeks called it as genocide while Turks do not.

Nobody is truly innocent.

My mother's family is Pontian Greeks (I identity myself "Turkish") my Grand father's uncles were died in Iraq during againt British Empire. Their neighbours had knew what they had did for country so during population exchange they remained in Turkey as well as many others remained in Kotyora.

Greek king and later Venizelos were tools of Britain and France and Greek community were USED by them to revive of Byzantine Dream! Including taking back Istanbul again etc etc.

Turks did not fight against Greece in WWI. However Greece attacked and occupied Turkey. And Greeks of Anatolia mainly backstabbed Turks who lost WWI. And Symra is a result of it.

No one asks what the hell Greek army was doing at Anatolia ? Why did Greece occupy Turkey? Thousands died.