Armenia Declares Martial Law & TOTAL MOBILIZATION Against Azerbaijan

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  1. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Looks like Turkey is now at war with Russia. Good luck Erdogan:

    "...The Armenian government released photos of the wreckage of its fighter jet on Wednesday, insisting that the Russian-built SU-25 was shot down by a Turkish fighter despite Turkish denials. Moscow also confirms that the Armenian fighter was shot down by a Turkish fighter..."

    "...Moscow has announced that it will be forced to intervene militarily and assist Armenia after the downing of the Armenian Su-25 fighter by a Turkish F-16 as required by the Tashkent Treaty.

    "The downing of an Armenian SU-25 fighter by a Turkish F-16, according to the Armenian Defense Ministry, is said to complicate the situation, as Moscow, under the Tashkent Treaty, is obliged to provide military assistance to Armenia, " said. Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova.
     
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    Thousands of Armenians didn't die, millions died. They were sent on a death march towards Iraq. Many died on the way, others were killed and others taken into slavery by the Kurds. The Kurds apologized for the crimes, did the Turks? Did they ever repent and feel remorse for what they did?

    In Smyrna, the American teachers saw Turkish soldiers enter the Armenian area. They also saw Turkish civilians coming out of the area with wheelbarrows and carrying out the household goods. The soldiers were then seen by the teachers setting fire to the houses to cover up the crimes. The testimony's are all in our Library of Congress.

    Look, I know the Greeks are not angels and committed crimes. The difference is the Greek crimes were done by individuals. They were not under orders to do so by the officers and government. I say this because my cousin's father was a Greek officer in Turkey and he said they were trying to stop the Greek soldiers from committin crimes against civilians.

    The Turks on the other hand respect authority, and if they are told not to do something, they will not do it. That means they were allowed to commit the crimes by the officers and government so as to change the demographics and ethnically cleanse the country.
     
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    This almost sounds familiar. An SU-25 and an F-16 .... Well! Hold on to your hats! I smell another Cold War scenario in the making. Washington must be burning the candle at both ends trying to weasel something out of the situation to their own advantage. The possibilities are astronomical!
     
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    Another familiar scenario. Did the U.S. ever apologize for their crimes against Irak or Cuba or Vietnam or Cambodia, or Laos, or Grenada or Panama? I do believe that Obama apologized to Iran anyway. Maybe Washington is just pacing itself, not wanting to apologize to the whole world "in one go". Or they wanted to first apologize to Iran and test the reception before continuing. :lol:
     
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    Of course we didn't apologize because the American people have no idea what's going on - thanks to the media. As for history, don't believe too much of what is now being said. Some of the natives were really savage, not just to Europeans, but to other native tribes as well. The worse were the Comanches. You can't even imagine what they did to children.

    Anyway, my grandson has Turkish friends and was shocked at how history was being taught there. One Turkish writer in Hurriyet who had gone to a western school before attending a Turkish one, said they are taught fairy tales.

    One of the problems might be the confusion Muslims have over our AC and BC dating. One poster thought Alexander the Great was in the 4rd century AD rather than the 3rd century BC - which is almost 700 years difference. He also thought the Greeks came into the Balkans about 500 AD, which is really when the Slavs entered the Balkans. Then again it might have had something to do though with Skopje and the territorial ambitions of Macedonia.

    Another problem for them would be their alphabet since it was westernized by Attaturk. This made historical accounts difficult to read.
     
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    The Chinese are still waiting for the Japanese to apologize for Nanking. When my grandson was in college, he went to the anniversary of the bombing of Hiroshima. He said nearby there was a little run down museum by the Koreans, and in it were photos the Japanese had taken of the atrocities they were committing. One soldier was posing proudly with his sword ready to behead a Korean princess.

    The Japanese students with him were shocked. They said they had no idea. When a president of Japan was asked why he didn't tell the Japanese what they had done, he said that he didn't want them to suffer feelings of collective guilt.

    I think it has to do with reparations.
     
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    Reports Turkey is transferring Syrian militants to Azerbaijan as hostilities against Armenia increases
    https://greekcitytimes.com/2020/09/...jan-as-hostilities-against-armenia-increases/





     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As usual, Moon of Alabama has the best in depth analysis of what's going on between Armenia and Azerbiazan in his post on the war against Armenia. He said it's unlikely that Russia will get directly involved for fear of over extending itself and walking into an American trap. More than likely it will be like in Ukraine where Russia's help came through Intelligence and equipment.


    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/09/strategic-aims-behind-the-war-on-armenia.html#more
     
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    Ours as in the West.
     
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    Ottoman Armenian population was about 2 to 2.5 million.

    Only in California their population is about 1 million.
    And 3 millions in Russia and 1 millions in Europea and 200.000 in South America

    After deportation, how diaspora reach such great population all around the world if millions of them were killed.

    Did you learn any math lessons in school ?

    I am tired with your propaganda.

    Armenians killed at least a half million Turks and Kurds, and they were all deported, that's all.

    Which kurds did apologize?

    that is the another propaganda again.
    Turkish Kurds hate them more than any other people.
    And Kurds live in cities and villages where Armenians deported from, while Turks live in Central and Western part of country. Massacres were happened mostly between Kurds and Armenians mutually.

    British Empire wanted to create Kurdistan on eastern Turkey and they rised ethnic tension between communities however Kurds sided with Turks during war and Ottoman soldiers in East were Kurds
     
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    Well that's debatable as the reporter making this claim is Lindsey Snell

     
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    I don't understand. You mean the government hasn't apologized because they (the people) are not aware of their crimes or do you mean that making apologies would bring U.S. crimes to the attention of the population? What do you think personally? Is the majority of the American population really, "USA! USA! USA!" or are they willing/curious to know their own history for both the good and the bad?


    Whatever you do please don't tell me what they did to children. I'm squeamish when it comes to things like that.


    I didn't know that. I always thought Atatürk was a sort of Martin Luther King of his time and had cleaned up primitive, historical bull crappy.


    Alexander is the focus of thousands of heated arguments daily by the Greeks but I don't think the Macedonians are very much bothered about it. They seem to be turning the other cheek.
     
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    I've been to Japan several times and they are not one of my favourite people on this earth. Furthermore, when it comes to the discussion of the American bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki ..... I can use the popular expression, "What goes around comes around". I don't necessarily blame them for the surprise attack on Pearl Harbour but Japan was poised to bomb the U.S. with some of the very same ingredients that were intercepted by the U.S. and used for the atomic bombs that were dropped on Japan.
     
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    Here's some footage of artillery fire and lots of airstrikes. It seems that Armenia needs better air defenses:

     
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    This is also reason of war. Two countries are fighting each other and others sells them equipment.
     
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    This is from Macron:

    "Today, we have information, with certainty, that indicates that militants from jihadist groups have left the field of combat in Syria ... to re-join the field of combat in Karabakh", he said, promising to discuss the issue during an EU summit.

    And from Moscow:

    Reports of mass recruitment of militants in northern Syria to be transferred to Karabakh raise major concerns about the situation in the region. The Russian Foreign Ministry has stressed that it has information about the presence of militants from the Middle East in Karabakh not just from media, but from its own sources.
    Turkey's means of ethnically cleansing a population has always been to use criminals to do their dirty work. Today it's terrorists. This is why Putin said he was very concerned about it.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Armenia has held back from using its Iskandar missiles, but it said it will if Azerbiajan uses American F16 jets - which it has.
     
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    I meant it was always the media that brought our government's crimes to the American people, but today the medias and government are one and the same. It's the same corporations that own the MSM that contribute most heavily to the candidates for office.


    This is a fault in our system that came about from the Clinton administration. He adjusted the law so that 6 corporations were able to buy up all the MSM. I don't doubt they're owned by the same people. When investigative reporters dared to present the truth, the major publications will not print it. I remember that Seymore Hersch had to find a publisher in Britain for his expose on the war against Serbia in Kosovo.

    More recently when the late Robert Parry of Consortium found out from Intelligence Agents in Washington, that a group in Ukraine was behind the shooting of MI7, he asked them why they wouldn't reveal it to the American people. He was told that Russia had everything going for it in Ukraine, but all the US had was its propaganda.


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    The foundation of Turkey is Islam, so no matter what government they have, it can never be the same as nations with laws based on Christianity. If that wasn't so, western Turkey and Greece really should be one nation. Ataturk realized that the Treaty of Sevres would strip them of everything, so in order to hold on to a chunk of the country he had to ethnically cleanse the Christian population.

    Some of the Greeks in the Pontus area saved themselves by either converting or running into Russia. The Greeks in the West massed themselves at the docks in Smyrna (Izmir) to escape the fires set by the soldiers - while the French, Italian and British ships looked on and wouldn't save them for political reasons. Believe it or not, an American school teacher came up with the idea of putting American flags on the Greek ships so they wouldn't be shot at, and took them over to Greece.

    The Armenians though were less fortunate. They tried to free themselves from the Ottomans during WWI, and carve out a country the way Greece, Serbia, Bulgaria, Romania, etc., did, but the only nation they could get support from was Russia - and it had been taken over by the Bolsheviks and in a civil war.
     
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    I don't know if you are quite as old as I but you probably remember that there seemed to always be at least one media source that dared tell the truth. We used to call it "unbiased". But now (as you say) all of the media is bought up and tied in a neat little bundle.


    I don't know whose fault it is but the problem is the same in the film industry. Most (if not all) truth-finding films about the U.S. are produced abroad.



    Yep.
     
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    Azerbaijan doesn't have F-16s, do they? Wasn't it a Turkish F-16?
     
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    They are not terrorist they are mercenaries paid by Azerbaijan.

    However Armenians use pkk terrorists
     
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    Do they kill civilians? If they do then they are terrorists.
    Yes and that's the problem. It also went into Armenian air space, which means they could call for Russia's help according to their agreement. Russia will get involved, but indirectly. It doesn't want to fall into a trap by Washington.
     
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    I'm older, and feeling it. :oldman:
     
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