Biden, in the end, took the medal for last nights debate

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  1. Balto

    Balto Well-Known Member

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    sIf you had to test who could be presidential last night, one passed and one lost—bigly. The debate performance last night reminded me o lf how Tim Kaine bombed the VP debate. Disruptive, insulting, Trump was Tim Kaine last night. Whether it was fact checking the statements of, “greatest economy in the world” (which a simple google resulted to find that there was, in fact, more growth in Obamas second term than in the three years Trump has been in office), or the idea Biden supported the violent protests (which is also false, he talked down violence aa far back as four days after Floyd was killed), or watching a man have a mental collapse on the national stage, one word should be in everyones mind.

    Embarrassing.

    A lot of people, certainly Trumps campaign, will capitalize on Biden vowing to roll back the tax cuts. The tax cuts were not what they seemed. According to NPR, corporate tax revenues fell 31%, and has failed to furnish any permanent boost in economic growth. That article, i will post below.

    Even as one can begin to see rolling back tax cuts wouldn’t be the end of the world, how did Biden win? The answer is quite simple. Biden dud not choose yo be pulled down into the mud, even though Trump derailed from many of Wallaces pretty neutral questions. Biden talked about Beau’s military service when Trump tried dishing up the theory Hunter was discharged for using cocaine-/-which no evidence supports. Like any of us, Joe did his best to tune out the erratic behavior. He insulted maybe three times (but thst pales in comparison toTrump doing it the past three years). For the most part, Biden stayed calm and collected even in the midst of some of Trump becoming a hothead (notice how red he got).

    Trump proved he is not fit for the office, either temperamentally or presidentially. By his own actions. Any other job interview, and security would have escorted him out of the building.

    Many minds may have not changed, but many were annoyed to the point they tuned out, and maybe some Trump lost. The lesson here?

    Turn the mic off when it is needed.

    Tax Cut Link:
    https://www.npr.org/2019/12/20/7895...-cuts-have-failed-to-deliver-on-gops-promises
     
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    How many times did that helpless old man turn to his emotional-support dog Wallace for help against Trump's remarks? Look at his eyes in the replay. He keeps begging Wallace to jump in.

    Content? Bafflegab and bluster. The usual Robin Hood fare translating to, We're gonna rob the rich and give some of it to the poor. But first we spend and spend and spend because that's what Democrats do.

    Biden's not fit to take the 3 A.M. call. Trump will chew him up and spit him out in #2 and #3.
     
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    Hero to the Left Joe Biden called Trump a racist and refused to condemn the endless violence of ANTIFA and BLM radicals and the Dem Party governors and mayors allowing that violence to occur for month after month. Biden actually called ANTIFA an . . . idea. By a two to one margin Telemundo viewers declared Trump the clear winner. Thus last night Biden and his good buddy Chris Wallace . . . suffered.
     
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    Most people know what Biden was getting at. Idea, organization? That was his only misstep in the entire debate, i listened to how he spoke very carefully. Ironic how people are going after Chris Wallace when Wallace is a host on Fox News.

    Biden has condemned the radical left wing violence going back as far as May. Any claim of this is simply not true. Look it up. May 29th, four days after George Floyd was murdered, Biden downplayed the violence I’m still trying ro figure out what these “radical left wing people” Trump kept beating like a dead horse was about last night.

    Biden does mot support the violence, he does not support ANTIFA. Facts.
     
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    People are going to be equally as disgusted if Trump acts in any way like he did last night. On a Fox affiliate, one analyst said Trump had annoyed people enough, they simply turned iff the TV. We have to demand better than this, or to try digging up conspiracies. I’m still trying to figure out who the 17% are who found the debate to be positive? Maybe a small fraction of the country looking for mere entertainment? I think anyone who was dealing with such a verbal dumpster fire in their ear wouldn’t know which rant to respond to, at that point its up to the moderator to intervene.
     
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    I was tempted to turn it off myself. I watched it though. Immediately after, someone stated that the polls taken were about 69% (+/-) of people were left feeling annoyed. That is not how debate is supposed to work. Maybe my expectations were too high, but I don't think so given the discussions about it today.
     
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    The biggest loser in the debate THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA especially if the rest of the world was exposed to last nights display of stupidity and ignorance by the two people vying to lead our country. We are a PATHETIC nation in desperate need of real leadership.
     
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    Your expectations are not too high. If anything, since 2016, the expectations have fallen. The more erratic behavior we excuse, the lower our standard is and as a result, we diminish the highest office in the land.
     
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    What he was getting at? He had the national stage, if he couldn't clearly say what he means, he clearly cannot lead. Biden failed. He couldn't even answer a simple yes or no question on packing the courts...
     
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    Yes, I can certainly see that. I have seen many people use the word "embarrassing" and that's true. I remember feeling the same way when someone (on another forum) proclaimed that it was okay to knock down and push around senior citizens who were slow and struggling to shop when we first went to shelter-in-place. Our WalMart had to implement an hour (7A-8A) for just seniors to avoid this issue. Why is that even necessary?

    I asked myself that same question last night. Why would it be necessary for Wallace to referee a debate between two people seeking the highest position in the country? Unreal.
     
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    Given that Biden doesn’t support this idea, this organization, this group of people, whatever you want to call it (same thing, regardless of how its said) its not a major slip up.
     
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    He could have just said so, but instead he muddled it up with his total inability to communicate important ideas...
     
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    What i think it boils down to is one of those two men makes it look like he has a strong case for the country, but when the time comes to make that case, he doesn’t.
     
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    There are a lot bigger fish to fry than to try fretting over something that is arbitrary. Biden was barely able to speak with the meltdown going on to the left of him, so he barely got any answers in.
     
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    Do you think that can be reconciled in the next two debates? Is there a way to even make a comeback after what happened last night?
     
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    The notion the Trump has any support tells us we have a major mental health issue in this country.

    We just witnessed a meltdown by the holder of our highest office that was broadcast around the world. Fact checks are showing us he’s completely untethered from reality after uttering false statement after false statement the entire evening. Someone needs to intervene the man is in desperate need of mental health care.

    Does anyone give rat’s bum about this guy? Step the freak up—now!
     
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    Latest CDC stats say those 70 and older have the highest risk of death among those contracting COVID. This reduced-hours program lessens their contact with more active younger people who are likely carriers if they have multiple contacts that many seniors do not.

    Start counting up where you go and who you talk to in a given day if you're not old or disabled. That's the reason for social distancing, or so they say. But for seniors and handicappers, that counting-up gets super easy. And safer. Until they go to the store.

    The ones needing the grocery store carts are more likely to find one if some punk isn't joyriding on them...and they do that in college towns, they most definitely, definitely do.

    He was paid to moderate. Did anyone throw a punch? Then it wasn't in need of a referee. That's boxing.
     
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    I understand that. I have witnessed seniors exasperated because the shelves were bare and others were pushing around them. I have heard my neighbors say awful things about "every man for himself!" and "who cares about the old people!" as a way to justify their abhorrent actions. Yes, the risk is higher for that demographic but that was NOT the only reason they had to implement a "Seniors Only" shopping window.

    They were about two seconds from "taking it outside". Barely anyone watching what happened last night could qualify that as a civil debate. And, I'm sure you know that's to which I was referring.
     
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    I thought Chris Wallace won the debate. Biden didn't have to be there to repeat lies when Wallace framed questions as though the lies were facts. When Biden lied, Wallace shut Trump's corrections down. Chris Wallace was an embarrassment
     
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    In my region, a woman with a concealed gun permit took down a youngish punk who stabbed to death an old man in a grocery store. He told cops he wanted to kill an old person. The store had to hire roaming security guards (and dramatically lower gas prices, the true PR move)...and now those who open-carry do so proudly.

    Would anyone here care to test a theory of mine? I say it only takes THREE strikes with a metal cane to put a punk on the ground. Oddly, volunteers seem lacking.....

    Ah, but those two seconds AFTER THAT would have made glorious political history, yes?

    Trump dodging high-kicks to the hairdo while throwing three-knuckle death-strikes to Biden's midsection, Wallace lying mid-stage in a heap, protecting his head, and then all three go down in a scrum that will live in our hearts and minds forever. Especially if they suffocate Wallace. The media will canonize him.
     
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    I'd volunteer. I have stood up for others my entire life. I just think it's sad that it's even necessary.

    Yes, glorious political history would have been made. That would have been way more entertaining if we weren't talking about two candidates for the highest position in the country.
     
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    I fully agree it's unnecessary to protect older people from young hemorrhoids like these. My offer of course was specious. I prefer oak over metal, anyway. Makes a far more satisfying smacking noise.

    Remember this phrase. Treasure it. Clasp it to your rhetorical wherever.

    "And then things went 2020...."
     
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    Nah, Trump uttered at least three falsehoods in his bad performance. I would say what they are, I know what they are because I fact checked him, but I want people to figure that out for themselves.
     
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    My point ,,, Trump answered the point Wallace wanted to make to attack Trump's recent surge among Blacks and he made it with WAllace as moderator in a 2016 GOP primary:
    WALLACE: Mr. Trump, Romney also talked about your position on race, and the controversy over your failure to denounce David Duke on Sunday. You have repeatedly disavowed him since then, but I’d like to go deeper than that. What are your views on the Klu Klux Klan, and white supremacists?


    TRUMP: I totally disavow the Klu Klux Klan. I totally disavow David Duke. I’ve been doing it now for two weeks, this is your — you’re probably about the 18th person that’s asked me the question. It was very clear, that question was also talked about in the form of groups. Groups, I want to know which groups are you talking about? You have to tell me which groups?


    Ultimately, he got to the Klu Klux Klan, which obviously I’m going to disavow. And, by the way, if you look on my Twitter account, almost immediately after the program they were disavowed again.


    You know, it’s amazing. When I do something on Twitter, everybody picks it up, goes all over the place. But, when I did this one nobody ever picks it up. Take a look at my Twitter account.


    WALLACE: Thank you, sir.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/04/...epublican-presidential-debate-in-detroit.html

    Biden claimed the Democrats' ANTIFA that has firebombed Black businesses and murdered innocents is an IDEA. An obvious lie. Ideas aren't terrorists. Democrats are.

    When Trump asked for names of groups of white supremacists to disavow, Wallace allowed Biden to butt in and say, "Proud Boys". This is the international leader of Proud Boys, which is 20% Black: Meet Enrique Tarrio
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    Biden lied again. Biden has been sued by Kyl Rittenhouse since he lied by identifying Kyl as the White Supremacist who killed felonious rioters in Kenosha. Kyl stupidly took it upon himself to protect businesses that were targeted by terrorists, but he is no White Supremacist. That Biden lie occurred in Twitter b4 the debate
     
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    Now that they are adding new rules where they can turn Trump's mic off so he can't interrupt people there might actually be a debate.
     

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