Armenia Declares Martial Law & TOTAL MOBILIZATION Against Azerbaijan

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  1. Thingamabob

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    Macedonia in Yugoslavia was a construct of Pres. Tito so he could grab the port of Thessaloniki. It was a direct threat to Greece, not only because of Thessaloniki, but also because they could someday lay claim to the Northern Greek province of Macedonia.

    A lot of wars were fought in the Balkans at the beginning of the last century, as different ethnicities established their borders. People were being moved from one place to another, so having the Slavic/Bulgarians of Yugoslavia taking the name Macedonia and claiming Alexander the Great scared the Greeks. It would be like Mexico showing pictures of Dallas on travelling posters and calling their country Texas.

    What they did was unbelievable, yet they managed to hang on to the name Macedonia. I think the problem really had to do with the Muslim Albanians in Skopji. They had threatened to separate and join Albania if they didn't retain the name Macedonia. Probably for their own expansionist ambitions.

    Right now the Albanians are pushing for a greater Albania that will incorporate a part of Greece, Serbia, Montenegro, and Kosovo.


     
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    You're still young! I'm a depression baby. My photo was taken at my daughters wedding. I was about 40 then.
     
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    But the U.S. stole Texas from Mexico not te another way around. I am guessing you already knew that?
    Hot dang! I figured you for a Spring chicken, sweetie.
     
  5. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There were Armenians in the US, Russia and S. America before the genocide. Also, if the Turkish population can grow from 10 million to 80 million in 90 years, why not the Armenian population as well?

    The following is part of an in-depth analysis of the Armenian genocide. He gives the high numbers and the low numbers and explains how he reached his conclusion:

    The infamy of executing this century's first full scale ethnic cleansing belongs to Turkey's Young Turk government during World War I. In their highest councils Turkish leaders decided to exterminate every Armenian in the country, whether a front-line soldier or pregnant woman, famous professor or high bishop, important businessman or ardent patriot. All 2,000,000 of them.

    Democide had preceded the Young Turk's rule and with their collapse at the end of World War I, the successor Nationalist government carried out its own democide against the Greeks and remaining or returning Armenians. From 1900 to 1923, various Turkish regimes killed from 3,500,000 to over 4,300,000 Armenians, Greeks, Nestorians, and other Christians.

    https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.CHAP5.HTM
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    This is a quote from Turkey's ally Germany in WWI:

    "...By January 31, 1917, the Chancellor of Germany, allied with the Ottomans during World War I, was reporting that:

    The indications are that the Turks plan to eliminate the Greek element as enemies of the state, as they did earlier with the Armenians. The strategy implemented by the Turks is of displacing people to the interior without taking measures for their survival by exposing them to death, hunger, and illness. The abandoned homes are then looted and burnt or destroyed. Whatever was done to the Armenians is being repeated with the Greeks...."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_exchange_between_Greece_and_Turkey#Estimated_numbers

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    Ottoman Armenian population

    Apr 03, 2005 · Most estimates by Western scholars range from 1.5 to 2.4 million. According to Britannica prior to 1915 and Samuel Cox, American Embassy in Istanbul from 1880-1886, it was 1.75 million and 2.4 million, respectively.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Armenian_population
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And I thought you were younger than what you stated.

    Anyway we did steal Texas from Mexico, but I used it as an example. The truth is that there were Bulgarians, Albanians, Greeks, Serbs etc., living all over the Balkans and they were being ethnically cleansed by one group or another during the wars.
     
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    Notice the action around the Armenian capital of Yerevan, reports of S300 being fired. Good chance things will escalate before they simmer down.
     
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    Thank you Serbia, for the 'term'.
     
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    There is a major offensive along the border by Azerbiajan aided by terrorist mercenaries from Idlib. The Armenians though have been able to hold their ground; they're excellent fighters. Men usually are when they're under attack and fighting for their survival from a ruthless adversary.

    As for the mercenaries, I doubt that they're faring well. Erdogan's been paying them with money Germany gives for refugees. I think he's using the Syrians not only to do the dirty work of killing civilians, but also as cannon fodder so he can change the demographics in Idlib. Doing this would favor the Turkomans he had brought in from the Central Asian States and thereby facilitate it in becoming part of Turkey.


    I don't doubt Russia is helping Armenia with Intelligence and maybe with its electronics - although they wouldn't want to reveal their weaponry. I'm sure that's how they helped the militia in Ukraine - and probably in Libya as well. I found it strange how Turkey was ready to take over Libya, and was unloading all sort of military equipment, and then a short while later Saraj was out, and Gen. Haftar was in charge of the country.

    The following twitter is interesting. It's a convoy of non military Turkish trucks travelling through Georgia to Azerbiajan. They were guarded by Georgian police, and on the 10th truck one can see the name 'Bayraktar', which is the manufacturer of Turkish drones.

    https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/sta...ees-sfodres-sygkroyseis-armenia-stoys-2000-oi
     
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    It is very normal because Turkish families had 3 to 7 children at average until 1990s and still in eastern Turkey Kurdish families have 5-9 children. :)) You have no idea
     
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    Lies fabricated by Armenia as government propaganda.

    Firstly, in Syria people are sunni, ISIS was also wahhabi.
    Secondly Azerbaijan people are not sunni muslims, they are shiites and they have Soviet past they are not religious at all, Azerbaijan is one ofthe hardcore secularist country. They eat pork even.

    So it is impossible to provide sunni islamist/jihadist to fight for Azerbaijan lovely!

    But you call merchanaries as "terrorist" because they are simply muslim.This does not make any sense. Also Israel supports Azerbaijan as well as Turkey does. However, Turkey lays the cards on the table and directly we don't involve.

    And international law does not ban using merchanaries or does not care religion or nationality of merchanaries! So they are all stupid lies.

    However, Christian-jihadists from Greece wants to Armenia
    Here is the evindence.
    https://greekcitytimes.com/2020/10/...tsakh-with-500-800-greeks-to-crush-the-turks/

    Even the name of region - Karabakh is Turkic. International community should provide to UN resolutions on Nagorno Karabakh to be Implemented, that Armenian army must withdraw from Azerbaijani region.

    Azerbaijan fights for her occupied land. That's understanble




    So what ? Azerbaijanis are not only our ally, they are our Turkic speaking brothers and sister, of course we will support them.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Where there is poverty, people have a lot of kids. The best way to curb that is to raise the standard of living and give people hope. Unfortunately it's beyond people, otherwise we wouldn't have the migrant problem we have.
     
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    Do you really expect Armenia to withdraw their army, when the Azeris keep telling they want to ethnically cleanse them?
     
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    Actually what I write is usually my own conclusion from various sources. I can be wrong, but I'm usually accurate.

    And yet I read that Syrians are fighting against the Armenians from different sources.

    The Syrian fighters in Idlib are supposedly the FSA, but it really doesn't exist. It was just a cover up. All the arms given to the FSA were ending up in the hands of the terrorists. Most of them are members of ISIS or Al Nusra, that fled there when the Syrian army took over Duma and East Aleppo. The Russians in order to keep the British and other agents who were embedded with them from being slaughtered, allowed buses to take them to Idlib. This is why there are so many problems with Idlib.

    They are descendants of the Armenians who passed themselves off as Greeks during the population exchange. Greeks have enough problems protecting their own country.

    Then Turkey should have applied the same reasoning to Kosovo, after all it was Serbian land not Albanian.
     
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    Here's an interesting observation. The head of the CIA and Britains MI6 speak Turkish and lived in Turkey and Azerbiazan in the 90's. It was the time I recall when they were trying to push the Nabucco oil pipeline to cut off Russias oil. It was also the time terrorists from the Gulf entered Chechnya and a vicious war was going on.

    I'm just wondering if the fighting that's going on now between Armenia and Azerbiajan, was instigated by Britain and the US to embroil Russia in a war with Turkey? One never knows!



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    We'll go now and free them all
    to show them that we're standing tall
    besides them, as they fight and kill
    each other.

    But never think that the melee
    will make us go away.
    When what it does is stir us on
    for more each passing day.- Jeannette
     
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    If they withdrew their forces from Nagorno Karabakh, they would be signing their death warrant. I can't understand it, if Erdogan is such a stickler for international law, then why are Turkish forces still on Cyprus?
     
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    I wonder if Fresno will be next for protests:
     
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    According to Greek Pronews, right after Vladimir Putin spoke to the Armenian PM Passinian, he sent an ultimatum to Azerbiazan, calling for the immediate cessation of military operations in Nagorno-Karabakh. Looks like Russia is getting involved. Probably has to do with Russia's defense Treaty with Armenia.
     
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    Here's some more information from Greek pronews:

    Russia is reportedly planning to send private troops to Nagorno-Karabakh as a "peacekeeping force" to prevent the fall of Stepanakert and the massacre of Armenians in the region.

    The military force will most likely be Wagner volunteers, who have no problem developing in the autonomous region.

    According to the latest information, military forces are already heading to Nagorno-Karabakh, following Yerevan's consultation with Moscow.
     
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    I knew it:
     
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    I read some of the article, but I think the situation has changed. Armenia has definitely asked Moscow for help according to the Treaty they have. According to Greek pronews, Moscow sent an ultimatum. It definitely doesn't want Azerbiajan entering Stepanakert and massacring the population - especially knowing Turkey has sent terrorists from Idlib to fight with the Azerbiajanis.

    Not to get directly involved against Turkey, Russia did what they did in Libya and sent in the Wagner group - which is a mercenary army. They'll supply Intelligence, and like in Libya, the situation will soon change.

    One has to wonder just how long Russia's patience will last, since Turkey's constantly attacking its interests. The latest is Cyprus, where Turkey has removed the fence and is opening a beach in the neutral area. Here's a translation from Greek pronews:

    With a harsh statement, Russia characterizes as unacceptable Turkey's decision to open the coastal front of the Varosia region, which is located in the neutral zone of Cyprus.

    "The statements about the opening of a section of Varosia in the enclosed area of the city of Famagusta (Republic of Cyprus) are a matter of serious concern. "We consider the decision to open the Varosia area unacceptable , "

    Moscow reacted strongly to Turkey's actions, which shows that its patience is exhausted with Turkey trying to intervene in areas vital to Russian interests, such as Cyprus, Syria, Libya, Nagorno-Karabakh, and even Crimea, where Ankara has not recognized the return of the peninsula to Russia.
    Turkey reminds me of a gnat that keeps nipping away at Russia knowing that it can't attack directly.
     
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    Armenia Declares Martial Law & TOTAL MOBILIZATION Against Azerbaijan
    This is what happens when large nations break up into smaller nation states. It's a powerful warning about what could happen to the U.S. if it ever broke up in a similar manner. One positive factor is that many of the former USSR "republics" were originally forced into the USSR against their will, while every existing state in the U.S. requested statehood themselves.
     

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