The war of partisan politics is destroying the country

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  1. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Who are you asking?
     
  2. Gelecski7238

    Gelecski7238 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My guess is that you're probably correct on all these issues since I don't have deep insight and expertise on such matters.

    Under the present conditions, the party in power can't accomplish much without a majority in the House, Senate, and SCOTUS. The opposing party becomes the party of No. Presently the opposing party wants to bail out the sanctuary cities. That's just not acceptable. Hence with that demand attached we have a stalemate on producing the next round of relief checks.

    Without the fixes you suggested, the only means to overcome the gridlock is for the party in power to stack the deck in their favor. The downside of this is vulnerability to dangerous extremism, in this case bullying by radical right wingers.

    Worse yet, it can give the deep state the inroads it needs to further shackle the general population. They've already prepared the noose with things like the Patriot Act. Now they're pushing for that heinous constriction called UN Agenda 21. The pattern was evident going back to Rockefeller's version of the New World Order, and now we have Gates and a member of The Crown advocating depopulation.

    Let's face it, the elites want to own the world, maximize their indulgences and privileges, and relegate the common man to the fate of a manageable herd. The radical left seems more dangerous than the present swing to the right because of their willingness to eagerly tear down established integrities for the sake of grabbing power.

    The divide looks like it's pushing towards an unavoidable and violent collision course between opposing interests.
     
  3. Have at it

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    Blaming talk radio for exposing the main stream news biased/ half truths and fake news is not hate radio.

    And I see you forgot to mention clarence thomas and the left wings smear campaign that really started this tit for tat.
     
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    I believe Anita Hill and Christine Ford, and the 25 women who declared that Trump has committed sexual assault.

    Talk radio is beyond half truths, it's a river of lies. So, that's cute a river of lies accuses MSM of being 'fake'.

    Well, who gave you the 'fake' term in the first place? A reality TV star who suckered 45% of the country into believing he would be a great president.
     
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    Libertarians are wacko. Very few people want what they are selling.
     
  6. a better world

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    1980: India and China, both c. 800 million people, both with GDP c.1 trillion.
    Today both have populations > 1 billion, China GDP $12 trillion, India $3 trillion.

    What happened?

    China: The largest high speed rail-system in the world (US doesn't have one) . One of only three nations to have launched astronauts into space. The largest car market in the world.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...013-us-used-entire-20th-century-10134079.html

    "How did China use more cement between 2011 and 2013 than the US used in the entire 20th century?"

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/tychod...ow-about-the-chinese-car-market/#5aaed2c03025

    "The largest market in the world, with growth poised to accelerate again, is supported by expensive cars, cheap cars, the government, and increasingly by electric cars. China will remain an exciting place for the car industry for a long time coming; the place to be and the spot to watch".

    Meanwhile, president Xi Jinping recently revealed plans for Carbon neutrality by 2060. Impressive for a nation that large.
     
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    Yes, I know. The herd is far more interested in the banality of our 2 party system. The masses are mesmerized by demagogues. That's the main reason we have the government we deserve.
     
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    Because we started in the 19th century. And lots of luck with that whole carbon neutrality thing. Is that when they think all the coal mine fires will burn out? When do they think they'll be able to reduce the number of deaths from heavy metal poisoning? When do they expect to meet US standards for mercury and arsenic contamination...
     
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    The person I was quoting obviously.
     
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    Yet you don't believe paula jones who won almost a million dollars from bill Clinton..got it

    Yup talk radio goes against eddie and bugger on FM WKRP in the morning where most of liberals get their "news" from.
     
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    The GOP needs to flip 19 seats, whereas on the Senate side only Sen. Doug Jones (D-AL) is in real trouble. Collins (R-ME) is likely to go down in the new preferential balloting system adopted there, but it's a Democrat vote anyway so no real change if Sara Gideon seizes the position. I'm not hopeful for low-profile John James to replace the oxygen-wasting incumbent Peters as U.S. Senator from Michigan. If he does win it will be a down-ticket surge from Trump roaring over the old and debilitated Biden.
     
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    The war of Democrat politics is destroying the country.
     
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    Nah, not much they don't, worshiping at the Kennedy shrine through all three worthless brothers (and the clothes-horse wife of JFK), and then all that figurative tongue-bathing for the Lord of the TelePrompter, Hussein the Magnificent.
     
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    Your own footer text says you research everything, and yet you keep asking who people are. If we believe the footer, you're too unaware to be replied to.
     
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    Great topic.

    It is terribly sad to see so many of us playing this political game of division for the sake of votes. It's even sadder to see how many of us jump into this game without really thinking about how we're being manipulated. What's interesting is that almost everyone sees the impending destruction of a once-great nation, yet we seem to prefer to contribute to that destruction by jumping into the mindless partisanship of arena politics.

    What are some of the tactics used by divisive politics? What words, phrasings, images, etc. short-circuit our rational thinking and trigger emotional responses?
    Why are they so effective?
    What can we do to get people to slow down and not react emotionally, but to think critically about and question the information we take in?
     
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    Then you obviously also will support Tara Reade's claim Biden raped her.
     
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    Fairness doctrine would be nigh useless without some great firewall to match what China has as anyone can start a website these days and attract followers as long as you are selling the propaganda they want to consume.

    SCOTUS I wonder if it can be removed entirely from the Senate / POTUS and just let a computer algorithm nominate appeals court judges with X number of years experience and the highest % chance of coming down on the correct overall judgement (as maintained by the SCOTUS). Though possibly this could make dissent far less popular. Otherwise, I agree with term limits for them.

    Filibuster would likewise require some safeguard so it cannot be so easily removed again by a simple majority. Otherwise, I like most of your suggestions.
     
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    Is there anything in your world that isn't Republicans fault?

    If not.. you might be the subject of the OP.
     
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    Is there anything in yours?
     
  20. nopartisanbull

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    I like this Collins dictionary definition;

    Partisan Politics.....”Someone who is partisan strongly supports a particular person or cause, OFTEN without thinking carefully about the matter.
     
  21. a better world

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    I was comparing "socialist" China with "democratic" India over the last 30 years It's plain to see the superior economic system, in that comparison.

    Now China is ready to be compared to the US, economically, (while 'democratic' India is still a "....hole").

    China is already the largest producer of green energy, so the 2060 goal is achievable given their 'command' economy.

    And of course a by-product of eliminating the CO2-emitting fossil-fuel industry is also the elimination of non-CO2 pollutants of all types (assuming a fully developed 100% recycling industry to deal with spent batteries etc)
     
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    But India in most regards is more socialist than China is. China is more nearly fascist than it is communist these days. On the other hand no one goes to China for medical care while India has first rate hospitals and a lot of upper middle class go their for treatments for various surgeries of the quasi optional variety, or did before covid.
     
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    So we have "socialism with Indian characteristics...(sorry, couldn't resist).

    Re "fascist" China: it has increased per capita GDP five-fold while India's has doubled, AND this year officially eliminated absolute poverty in the entire population.

    I would not advise you compare the living conditions of the bottom 20% of the population in India with that in China.

    Meanwhile, farmers regularly commit suicide in India if a good harvest crashes prices, making debts unrepayable...such are the joys of the "free market".

    So India's health care system is like the US?: good but un-affordable for much of the population....
     
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    actually it's much cheaper because it isn't so heavily regulated. Government here heavily regulates almost every aspect of medicine. In fact every business in the US with more than fifty employees has a department whose sole purpose is to fill out compliance reports for state federal and local governments and when those regs conflict figure out which ones take precedence and it isn't always the feds.
     
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    Further Hitler and Mussolini grew their economies fairly rapidly too and in much the same way China is, heavy investment in military hardware.
     
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