Why it is impossible to convince a Trump supporter that he/she may be wrong.

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by zalekbloom, Oct 10, 2020.

  1. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    Yes. In your case, I proved your "argument" wonng by demonstrating your claim to be false.
    I had to teach you the definition of "majority" so you'd understand.
    Funny, that.
     
  2. zalekbloom

    zalekbloom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    According to Wikipedia, which is based on (1) it was not McCain, but electrical anomaly in F-4B Phantom II (No. 110, BuNo 153061), flown by Lieutenant Commander James E. Bangert and Lieutenant (JG) Lawrence E. McKay from VF-11,[1] caused a Zuni rocket on a F-4B Phantom to fire.

    (1) https://web.archive.org/web/20080320002709/http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/f3/forrestal.htm

    So your claim about that McCain almost single handed sank an American Aircraft carrier sounds like a fake news spread by true stable genius.
    I served in the military (not the US) and saw many military mistakes, so even if it was McCain fault (which you didn't prove) it does not takes anything from his patriotism and sacrifice.
    BTW - I don't blame President Trump for dodging the military service, I blame him that while he personally dodgeds the military service he degraded an American patriot who served this country and who refused an out-of-sequence early released.
     
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  3. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    You answered your own question here I think...The issue is that there is no "middle ground" left to stand on anymore. Do I like Trump the person? No. Do I like Trump the President? Yes. Trump trashing John McCain over being a prisoner of war is the one thing I will never forgive him over, that was absolutely despicable and disgusting and personally offensive to me. I get it, Trump bashes everyone he doesn't like and nothing is off limits when it comes to his attacks on you, but there are some things that are off limits in my book and an American who spent 5+ years as a Vietnam POW is off limits. McCain himself isn't off limits, I was no fan of his either, bash him for being a RINO, bash him for anything else, hell bash his wife for all I care, but do not bash him for being a POW. The man couldn't even comb his own hair anymore after what the VC did to him as a POW, shame on Trump for attacking that.

    But the problem is with the policies you specifically mentioned and plenty of others. There is no one else available to support those things we've grown way too far apart ideologically as a country. I want a border wall. No I don't want a "proverbial" wall of drones and more agents, I want a physical wall with razor wire on it AND more drones and agents. Biden just won't do that. I want my guns, I don't want "some" of my guns I want all of the guns in my closet. I want my AK-47s and AR-15's. Biden doesn't want me to keep those. He says I can keep my pistols and revolvers and shotguns and hunting rifles. No, I want my AK-47s too. I don't want universal healthcare. I'm sorry but as heartless or immoral or controversial as it may sound I don't believe I have a obligation as a person to pay for YOUR healthcare. You pay for your healthcare. I don't want to pay more in taxes, I pay enough in taxes, I pay thousands of dollars in taxes per year, Trump lowered my taxes, Biden WILL increase my taxes (probably back to where it was before Trump cut them at least). I don't want that.

    I could go on and on. That's the problem. Trump entertains me, he makes me both laugh out loud as a funny guy and shake my head in shame of embarrassment way more often than any President in my lifetime by a long shot. He has his massive flaws but this COUNTRY isn't giving me any other options based on the things that personally matter to me.

    Give me an alternative to Trump that won't do so many things I personally disagree with and I'll vote for them. But until then Trump is all I have. This is America's fault. Nearly 330 MILLION people living here and the only two options this nation could come up with was Hillary and Trump in 16 and Biden and Trump is 2020. Provide me a candidate that will implement and/or continue the POLICIES that Trump has who isn't Trump and I'll vote for them over Trump in a heartbeat.
     
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  4. Lesh

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    Wait...we should have gone to war over Crimea?

    Obama was responsible for the Arab Spring?

    Obama racially divisive? How? By being black and President?

    Nonsense
     
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    Wow...that's what you see as a defense?
     
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  6. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    You certainly seem in favor of Trump going to war over well almost anything.

    No by pouring gasoline and throwing matches on every even potentially racial bonfire he could either envent or gin up.
    No he was responsible for seeing to it that the radicals took it over and that if course isn't even the only poor decision in the Middle East.
     
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  7. Dayton3

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    It is if the basis for calling President Trump the worst president ever is the 300,000 or so who die from the Corona virus.
     
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    So did you vote for Bill Clinton....another draft dodger? Will you vote for Biden....yet another draft dodger.

    While trump has said many stupid things, much of his words have been taken out of context by the media. Some of the things reported of him saying, he did not say...or his meaning was much different than reported.

    I would say you probably lost your objectivity long ago.
     
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  9. dagosa

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    Except his tax returns, taking money from his campaign funds to pay off prostitutes, hid his fake university, his foundation, the real value of holdings to pay less in taxes, and worse of all, his golf scores. He cheats at golf.
     
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    Oh, I would say he’s worse cause he’s a criminal and a traitor and stole from the US treasury in the millions imo.
     
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    Please link to where President Trump has been charged and convicted of any of those alleged crimes. If you can't then your claim is false.
     
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    Ok, then you will tell people when they say that hillary clinton is criminal and a traitor that their claim is false because she's never been charged and convicted of any of those alleged crimes. RIGHT?
     
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    Sure. I loathed Hillary regardless.
     
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    Richard The Last Well-Known Member

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    First off, I am not a Trump hater. I just have a very strong dislike for the man. There is nothing he could do to earn my respect.
    As for earning your respect, I don't really care about that either but civility would be nice.

    Thanks for playing.
    Rich
     
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    The STARK difference is that your wannabe Fascist-in-Chief had the POWER to MITIGATE those NEEDLESS deaths on his watch but he did NOTHING and went GOLFING instead.

    That is what makes him the WORST by a very long way!
     
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    zalekbloom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    “If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck”.

    My interpretation of this proverb is: “If it looks like a paranoid, narcissistic liar, and quacks like paranoid, narcissistic liar, then it probably is a paranoid, narcissistic liar”. And this is the reason I will vote for Biden or even for Biden’s chair against a paranoid, narcissistic liar.

    I partially agree with you – the US needs a secure border, but I want CHEAP and EFFICIENT border, don’t care if it a wall, mine field or drones, I want it CHEAP an EFFICIENT.
    I support the 2nd amendment which will include AK47 or AR15 – not because I am afraid of robbers – I support it because I am afraid of the government, especially of the government lead by people like Trump.

    But in some respect I totally disagree with you. I think the true patriotism is not to care for the size of the American flag, the true patriotism is to care for the less fortunate fellow Americans. I am ready to pay more taxes to help less fortunate Americans to pay for their health insurance and to pay for their education.

    BTW – if you are making less than $400k/year – Biden claims he will increase your taxes.
     
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    When you pay fines and restitution for fraudulent behavior like his fake university, his treatment of minorities in rentals, hiring illegals and can no longer manage a charity foundation which his entire family has lost, you’re an admitted crook engaged in criminal behavior. The difference between being charge and sentenced and is your ability to pay fines. That’s how rich people avoid jail time for non violent crimes.
     
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    Seems like I’m the better informed one who knows the difference between felonies and civil crimes and how to avoid prosecution by the rich.
     
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    The problem is in the title:
    Why it is impossible to convince a Trump supporter that he/she may be wrong
    @zalekbloom why do you need to convince anyone of anything in the first place? Most Trump supporters respect others rights to THEIR OWN views. Why can't you and your democrat cult do the same? You expect us to take people seriously that get their news from Facebook, The View, The Daily Show and SNL? PU-LEASE!
    SHAME!
     
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    So your link would be pullstuffoutofyourbutt.com?
     
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    A police officer once claimed I was going 15 mph over the speed limit

    I wasn't.

    But I paid the fine.
     
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    Nary a single leftist ever has got anything to say whenever we face one of them down with that choice bit of H1N1 reality regarding Obama and Biden. They just instantly change the subject to Orange Man Bad!
     
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    I have always disliked the term fake news. It's lies and that is how it should be identified when it is being debunked.
     
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    BLM/ANTIFA followers and supporters talk about cults?
     

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