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  1. yardmeat

    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    And those who are truly curious will wonder why other countries handled this better. They should also be smart enough to know that letting a virus like this run rampant would ALSO have an extreme economic impact.
     
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    #COVID
    #coronavirus
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    There is nobody on the ballot this year who would be better for rebuilding the economy than Trump.
     
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    That has more to do with the fact that those countries require a covid positive test PRIOR to death and for covid to be the primary cause of death on the death certificate.

    Whereas the United States declares anyone who has the virus or has symptoms of the virus regardless of how they died as a covid death.
     
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    Math says we aren't overcounting our COVID deaths. Sorry. We're likely undercounting. We're on a path to lose AT LEAST a quarter million people to the virus this year.
     
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    Then your math is wrong. The government explicitly stated they count ANYONE who dies with even symptoms of covid they’re counted as a covid death. It’s even on the CDC’s website.

    it’s also why we have an insignificant amount of cases of the actual flu this year.
     
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    Economists disagree. More than a thousand, including Nobel laureates, have petitioned him to stop his idiotic, unconstitutional tariffs. The man has literally claimed we would be wealthier as a country if we didn't trade with anyone. This is, on its own, the single most economically ignorant statement ever made by a President.
     
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    You know what else is on the CDC's website? The excess death studies that prove you wrong. You've been pointed to them before. You should try reading them. It isn't "my" math. It's the CDC's.
     
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    So where are all the flu cases at? I guess there’s no flu this year?

    And your “study” explicitly says they can’t determine that covid is the cause of those deaths lol
     
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    Flu deaths are included in the seasonal average, unless you have evidence of some kind of superfly that no doctor has detected. Do you not understand the basics of how excess death studies work? Rhetorical question. And feel free to propose another cause. Leprechauns? I'll bet it was homicidal leprechauns.
     
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    The same cause of the spike that was seen in that study in previous years. An expecially virulent flu season. As the study, that you keep pointing to, said that the excess deaths could be attributed to any number of causes that resulted from forced quarantine for the populace. Could have arisen from the excess mask wearing or any number of factors from depression and isolation to suicide.

    That’s not me saying that, that’s YOUR STUDY that you keep pointing to saying that.
     
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    We haven't seen the same spike in previous years. That's why it is called a "spike." That's what the ****ing word means. And it is seasonally adjusted. And it occured BEFORE flu season. Are you even trying? Does your conspiracy theory really require that much desperate contrivance?
     
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    False again.

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

    The study you keep referring to. Look at the chart: “Weekly Number of Deaths (from all causes).

    Notice the spike in 2018 above the average and more severe, higher spike than the entirety of the covid pandemic except for the initial spike.

    You’re wrong and you’re not just wrong but you’re sourcing a study which outright states that the spike in excess deaths CANNOT be attributed to covid alone and could have any number of other explanations.
     
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    BS. $35,000 for golf carts for 2 days ?
     
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    You aren't even making any sense. Our deaths, seasonally adjusted, are far, far higher than what we would expect by looking at previous averages . . . by about the same number as the number of recorded COVID deaths (actually a little lower). No, the spike in 2018 isn't nearly as high . . . please actually read the graph. There's a graph. Please read it.

    There's a reason the CDC stands against you here. There's a reason why basic math shows they are correct in their COVID death numbers. But keep making up fake flue superviruses that have somehow maaaaaaagically gone undetected in order to try to create a fiction to defend your conspiracy theory.
     
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    What are you even talking about? The spike in 2018 was higher than every line from the covid time period except for two.

    And it’s not “magically undetected”. They’re attributing those flu cases to covid. Hence why we have virtually no flu deaths this year. That’s the ENTIRE point.
     
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    Please actually look at the graph.

    Excess death counts factor in the flu. We've had flu in the past. We've still lost more than 200,000 EXTRA people, even AFTER considering the flu. These deaths don't fall neatly into flu season. It's also a lie to say that there have been "no flu deaths this year." The CDC has published flu deaths as well. If this were just the flu, it would be the most deadly strain of flu we've seen in the past century . . . so why has no one identified such a superflu strain this year? Again, I don't expect answers.
     
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    It stands to reason that there should be relatively fewer flu deaths this season. Because of social distancing, wearing masks and hygiene. Just like this reduces the number of Covid cases, it also reduces the number of flu cases.
     
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    and a place to stay....sounds like it was a cottage. They aren't a small detail
     
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    They've regularly charged more than what they typically charged. It's lunacy to play make believe that they are providing everything at cost. Pure lunacy.
     
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    Maybe no everything all the time....but certainly lower then regular billing.
     
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    Evidence?
     
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    The chart. How many lines from 2020 are above the spike in 2018? Might I add the flu in 2018 was not especially virulent. Certainly not enough to cause any sort of panic.

    Excess death counts do not factor in excess deaths which might be caused by the flu like in 2018.

    Furthermore the idea that you can compare 2020 to every other year is incredibly dishonest given that this is the first and only year where we have completely locked down the economy. To attribute the “excess death count” solely to covid because you’re comparing it to NORMAL years where there is no lockdown is highly dishonest. Maybe people have more time to do drugs and overdoses increased. Maybe more people are engaging in criminal activity and homicides have increased.

    You don’t know and neither does the study you’re pointing to. The difference is the study is honest about that fact.
     
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    We average 25-50 million flu cases every year. Are you asserting we don’t have any because we are wearing masks?

    Where are all the flu cases at?
     
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    A trumper requires evidence for flatly stating something? BWAHAHAHAA
     
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    I think he's asserting that you don't understand how to interpret a simple chart.
     

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