Wild new plan to eradicate smoking in Australia entirely

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  1. JET3534

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    Not sure how the public place got added to the argument.
    I can smoke on my own property. I can't smoke on public property.
     
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    Nothing is free. Someone pays.

    Here in America fat people are overloading the health care systems. Maybe we should mandate mandatory exercise.
     
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    had not heard that, but searching on it also showed nicotine is a anti-inflamatory which could help

    they said they were gonna test on nurses with the nicotine patch early on, have not heard how that study went
     
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    diet plays a bigger role in people being overweight, but once the government chooses for you, anything is possible - best to be pro-choice, let people choose for themselves
     
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    heck, now they tell businesses they can't allow it in places like bars, should be the bar owners choice and if one does not want to be around the smoke, they choose not to go there - we are getting into a slippery slope with these kinda laws
     
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    to be honest, I do not think smoking would be considered such an issue to most if not for the smell, same with marijuana
     
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    Why not. It seems you can't handle non-Americans on this website bashing the moron in the WH. Shouldn't you be a bit more mature than that? The WH clown can take it, I'm sure. I'd say, do what most 'mericans on this forum do - tell others to mind their own business and stay out of 'merican politics, which, of course, doesn't mean you should also follow that rule as this thread nicely illustrates.
    Plus, what you seriously seem to have misunderstood in the article you quoted is that it's about suggestions made by a research institute. Nothing in that article says the Australian government is doing what some of our illinformed friends here seem to think they are doing. A research institute has suggested something - that's it. But if it makes one feel better to bash country x or y, then let's ignore facts. On the other hand, one could put away one's political glasses and simply read what's on the page. Btw, modal verbs are there for a reason and the article is full of them.
     
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    Cute joke..

    Ya know what ticks me off as a smoker, some pot places you can smoke weed indoorsb but no cigarettes so to me the 2nd hand smoke excuse was a farce
     
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    I'm an ex-smoker, three times over. Even if the prices came down, I wouldn't start again. Between health, cost, and smell, it just isn't worth it to start again.
     
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    not saying many would not, I am saying many would, that is just the reality of it

    personally, I think are high carb process food diets are the major cause of increased cancer
     
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    I used to joke with the Obama care mandate that no way I was ever going to quit smoking, I want my money back!!!!

    I just smoke cigars now, love them
     
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    I enjoy the participation of Australians in various discussions here and look forward to more discussion of news events in Australia.

    Did I get it wrong? Is a pack of smokes $25 USD down under? One post here suggested $25 was a low figure.
     
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    Chowing down on a cyanide sandwich is I my right as you suggest. However, I choose not to do so because I use my brain with respect to risk management decisions, not being reliant on a government to do the thinking for me. If people rely on a government to tell them not to eat cyanide perhaps we should let them self-eliminate from the gene pool. Just a thought.
     
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    Quite right, however firstly cyanide is not a drug of addiction (or if it is, it is so only once). And addiction impacts on peoples ability to risk access and make smart decisions. As for eliminating themselves from the gene pool? Not only is that hard on their families but the government has to pay for it! Raising taxes on tobacco sends a price signal but that only works if there are alternative products. Properly regulated vaping via prescription and medical grade regulation of e-liquid contents would be a solution (or at least a big improvement). But you don't have that either. So round and round it goes.
     
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    Your conflating the military with the 'government'. The military want's to provide its soldiers with civilian consumables to maintain morale while deployed - because improved morale leads to improved combat efficiency. (If it didn't all you'd get over there for 6 months would be water and MREs!!!). The budgetary and health arms of government want to reduce the impact of medical expenses on the budget. Cancer is a big chunk of that expenditure.
     
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    You and I appear to be the only people, including the OP, who read & understood the article. 'The Government' hasn't done any of the things proposed in the article, which makes the post that started this thread look more than a little silly. Sort of makes you wonder about the motivation behind it.
     
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    Ha! Its a plant. People will grow it and sell it! It will only create opportunities for enterprising criminals.
     
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    Probably because no one will go near them :p
     
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    Its called cost/benefit analysis. Adding seat-belts to cars adds to their cost but saves huge medical costs. Which one do you select?

    And Governments you HAVE reduced MV deaths step by step via mandated improvements in mechanical engineering seat belts, crumple zones and airbags). Again its called cost/benefit analysis would the cost (to the budget and economy as a whole) of implementing a national 20 MPH speed limit exceed the savings in medical bills?

    FYI we already 25MPH safety zones around all our schools that apply during school hours. (So again cost vs benefit - hence the selective application of your idea based on where it can be applied to achieve the best outcome for the least cost/inconvenience).

    Again cost benefit analysis. On face value this would probably yes you should, but as I noted in another post alcohol is a drug of addiction, and addiction modifies otherwise rational behavior re: pricing signal etc. This means any savings to the health budget will be largely undermined by the enforcement costs, and it would have to be seriously enforced otherwise there's no point to the ban in the first place. What you can (and should do is raise taxes to high levels) - which does have an impact on the amount of alcohol consumed. As long as ALL the revenue raised goes back into treating alcohol related injuries and addiction programs.

    Tax it to reduce consumption? Yes - but reduce taxes on healthier alternatives at the same time. And then again use ALL the revenue raised to subsidize obesity and healthy eating education at school and public service announcements etc. In other words send a price signal.
     
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    Well a step in the right direction anyway.
     
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    There's other issues involved here. One is that smokers pay more than their share for public health.
    If you want to smoke and can do it in a way that effect no-one else, then that should be your right.
    Just as it is for drinking.
    And if you give groups power to ban smoking then where do they go next? Ban extreme sports?
    ban motorcycles? Ban parties who are against banning things?
    There's too much ban-culture in our society.
     
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    I would hope they include vaping and any other smoking substitutes that exist in their planned attack. Obviously the government is more than willing to forego the high taxes they will be losing on cigarettes.
     
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    some people are trying to stop people from smoking in their own cars via fines and police harassment, the slippery slope of government
     
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    why? nicorette doesn't require a prescription, can even order it online

    many quit smoking using ecigs, I say leave them alone

    many do not even use nicotine in their ecigs, it's no different than walking through a fog machine at a theme park for children - same stuff
     
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    The difference has been absolutely night and day. I don't cough up flem. I don't cough all day. If I do cough it sounds natural. I don't struggle with stairs anymore. I can exercise for extended periods again.

    And I'm spending $16 a week instead of $350.

    Truly one of the best decisions I ever made.
     

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