Trump's medication

Bottom line is-the fact that a drug or substance of any kind reduces a symptom, does not necessarily means it aids the recovery. It might, it might not. In a lot of cases it actually delays recovery and makes things worse if the person stays on the medication too long.

Basic medicine? Basic medicine depends on who is treating you. As a general rule in Western medicine we treat symptoms with medications whose side effects may dull or reduce specific symptoms but rarely do those reduction in symptoms do anything but that and their side effects cause other medical issues that may prevent healing not promote it.

Synthetic Medicine we take is necessarily poison. It is not natural. We use its poisonous effects to reduce a certain symptom or symptoms but it is still poison to our body. Its just the other side effects we hope our body is able to fend off or cope with.

Anti-biotics are a classic case of Western medicine. They were created to equip our bodies fight off a specific bacteria but in so doing, we cause other bacterias that might be beneficial to our body to also die off. There's always a consequence to taking synthetic medications.

There never is a cure for viruses. Never. Viruses by their very nature mutate and change into various strains. Some our body learns to store anti-bodies to defeat. With others we do not learn to store the anti-bodies and so we can never defeat the virus. Some we can temporarily store anti-bodies through a vaccine but our body eventually gets rid of them and we need another shot. Not everyone can take a vaccine. People with specific preconditions caused by genetic predisposition or existing chronic or other diseases can not take the vaccines. With some vaccines may not help their bodies store anti-bodies at all.

Covid 19 like any virus is NOT curable. The question is can it be contained. Can a vaccine help our bodies store sufficient anti-bodies for a sufficient time period to defeat an incoming exposure to the virus.

Viruses have been around as a natural process of population control since homo sapiens evolved. They usually get transmitted from contact with bodily fluids including blood, urine, fecal matter and any other fluid that the body emits. These viruses can be transported in the air in microscopic water or gas bubbles or by touch and/or inhalation.

In the last 50 years out of the wet markets of China we have seen many viruses including SARS, swine flu, bird flu, not just Covid 19. Across the world we have seen ebola, zica, norovirus, influenza, herpes (12 types), aids. People often do not understand the difference between a virus and a bacteria or fungus but all three are contagious and a body compromised or weakened by any of those 3, can catch types of the other 2 more easily.

People with compromised immune systems because of psoriasis, asthma, lupus, cancer, heat disease, diabetes, liver or kidney disease, aging, other chronic conditions, can get very sick or die from exposure to even a cold or flu let alone rubella, herpes (chicken pox) or Covid 19.

Right now no one has been able to determine a formula to properly store anti-bodies in the human body long enough to resist Covid 19 if it enters. It has not happened and it may never happen. To find the formula for the right amount of anti-bodies and the suspension compound to keep it long enough in the body is a huge challenge and a time consuming one with no short cuts.

Since Trump has been faced with this issue as all countries have, he has chosen to lie and turn it into a political issue to exploit and he was caught red handed lying about it and his negligence not only exposed him to the virus but many others.

Trump supporters are so caught up in his rhetoric they won't stop to think Covid 19 was never a political issue. It was a cleanliness issue. It came about because people were leaving meat out on counters infested with bugs and then handling the meat and passing on the blood of the meat through their hands.
Aids we now probably think came from blood contamination from eating guerillas. Nature has always warned not to eat the flesh of other meat eating species and never to touch meat with bare hands and then touch other things. Its always warned about hand touch and contact or exposure to food sources that come into contact with toxins. We choose as humans to ignore the rules of nature and accelerate passing on viruses through willful unhygienic practices

Trumps role on as he says "underplaying" the real risk of Covid 19, has led to exposure and death from Covid 19. He abdicated his duty to protect his people he was sworn to protect in the name of preserving his own ego to get re-elected and its back-fired on him. No one now believes a damn thing he has to say about Covid.

So of course now with his 4 year record of lies and more lies, he now claims he is immune and tries to do what he does, deflect from his lies and failed rhetoric by now trying to use not so subtle code words to make the election about Harris being a black woman.

Covid 19 requires politicians like Trump not to have done what he did which was to try censor the FDA, the Surgeon General, Dr. Fauci, The American Medical Association. Trump telling people he is immune is the utmost and most pathetic comment yet and still Trump supporter slap it up. This deranged man trying to portray himself as a superman is par for their course of reality.

Trump is irresponsible. Any politician is who chooses to say a vaccine is around the corner. The only thing around the corner for Americans is that Trump has vowed to leave millions without health coverage and will not explain what plan he will have for such people because he has none. People have caught on even his supporters who are coughing.

 

There is not a thing I said which is not true.

 

That is exactly what I have been saying. In some cases, the reduction of symptoms aids in recovery and other cases, it does not. I gave examples of both.

 

Keep thinking that, pal. Learning how it actually works takes 4 years of pre-med and 4 years of medical school.

 

Where was I wrong?

 

Let's test your knowledge, to see if it's even worth debating this with you. What do you know about prostraglandines and the cyclooxygenase enzyme? Do you understand how the acetyl group attaches to serine residues? What do you know about glucocorticoid receptors and their signaling? What about receptor isoforms? Do you know what cilliary movement is and what it's for? Do you know what efferent parasympathetic reflexes are? Do you know what sigma opioid receptors do?

All of the above is relevant to the mechanism of action of each of the medications you've mentioned.

Somehow I believe I'd be wasting my time because you wouldn't be able to follow the discussion.

 

What did I say that was wrong?

 

Everything.

But explaining to you how, would be time-consuming (it might take, say, one year for you to learn, or more, as you'd have to have the basics before I even started). So I won't start.

I have to go now. Take care. Have a nice day (and leave Medicine to doctors).

 

Again. What did I say which was wrong? Specifically.

 

cause the right panders to the religious right, but when it's their own choice to make they could really care less

I am willing to bet most republicans would take this drug if it was theirs or a loved ones life on the line - even if they attacked it prior

 

Interesting how hypocrisy is a one way street. The same people who claim to care about a womans right to autonomy over her body are fighting to strip her of her rights to defend herself from a rapist/murderer with a firearm. I suppose we can always have a debate on "My hypocrite is better than yours"!

 

You had me at rotting bloody infested meat. Now I believe everything else in your post as well. Carry on.

 

Trump thinks he immune from COVID- 19, I don't think so. How does Trump know he can't get it again? It won't surprise me if he gets if again.

 

Trump was given something a drug from regeneron. If it's good for him, why wouldn't it be good for anyone else?

 

My understanding is the fetal cells were not used directly in the product but used in research and development. I could have it wrong but that's how it looks to me.

From NBC:

From MIT Technology Review:

 

Another thread on the same topic:

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ed-fetal-tissue.579554/page-5#post-1072122803

 

Hi 557. This is not a good analogy. How can a murder victim donate their kidney if they are dead?

 

They put on their drivers license that they are an organ donor while they are still alive.

 

What is the difference between myeloma cells and fetal stem cells?
If abortion becomes illegal where will the research companies get their fetal stem cells from?
Do you believe Trump should make a public announcement that one of the medications he received in the hospital came from fetal stem cells, especially since he is bragging about how much better he feels?

 

Good point. I stand corrected.

 

I agree.

 

I have never objected to a woman's right to defend herself from a violent attack.

 

In my state you sign up to be a donor when you renew your driver’s license. Of course if someone buries you in the woods and you aren’t found for two weeks...well....

But if you die in the hospital or are found/preserved immediately such as if your murder is public/witnessed, yep, someone gets your “stuff” if you are registered as a donor. I don’t suppose coat hanger abortions are being used as cell lines for research either so I think it’s a strong analogy. The analogy offends sensibilities I suppose on both sides, but I’m interested in logic and reason, not sensibilities.

 

You are right. I didn't think that thru. I still think Trump is hypocritical to publicly speak against abortion and then privately benefit from it when he needs to.

 

Myeloma cells are “cancerous” white blood cells from adult bone marrow.

I don’t see the point of such an announcement. The treatment did not come from fetal tissue. Also, most of us (depending on our age) have had the MMR vaccine which is more directly “grown” in fetal cell lines. Several other vaccines and literally countless other drug, therapy, antibody, etc. research projects are conducted using fetal lines in multiple capacities. This is something people thought would hurt Trump and further divide Americans. If Trump had died from Covid or never been infected you probably would never be aware of the issue.