Record welfare subsidies going to midwest farmers due to tariff war.

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  1. 61falcon

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    Dirty Donalds tariff wars, with the Chinese, have resulted in record subsidies going to mid -west farmers year after year and are anticipated to reach a record $46 Billion this year. The subsidies have increased each year as the tariff wars have escalated to record levels this year as Dirty Donald tries to buy the votes. Unfortunately the bulk of these subsidies go to the large corporate farmers and not to the smaller mom and pop farms.
     
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    china has purchased more US Ag this year then any other year
     
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    Then why are we expending a record $46 BILLION in taxpayer Farm subsidies????
     
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    You can pretty well tell what kind of person writes a critical post by the choice to use derogatory language instead of proper terms. Find any place in the rules of the department of Agriculture which calls farm subsidies "welfare". The government has handicapped farmers's markets in the tariff fights; the change in farm subsidies reflects the losses imposed on them.

    They go to large farms for two reasons. One, the large farmers produce the most crops and are therefore most affected. Two, there are very few small family farms anymore. It is no longer profitable to farm 160 acres (typical quarter-section as was once homesteading standard) because the mechanization of farming has kept product prices low. If you don't produce in larger scale, you can't support your family or farm. Most small-farm owners have other occupations or sources of income, and rent their land out to big acreage farmers where the volume allows them to own the necessary equipment and pay the cost of that equipment. A combine for example now costs between $300,000 and $500,000. A small combine would be cheaper, but substantially less cost-effective- and still beyond the ability to pay for itself on 160 acres.

    Whose vote do you think is bought by this? It's a long-term strategy to improve our trade positions. Nobody is happy with it right now- but in the future, it will produce benefits.
     
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    To lower domestic food prices so we can buy it from our farmers instead of slaves farming for authoritarian states and/or international agricultural cartels overseas.

    Do you want cheaper food grown by forced labor?
     
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    You mean government handouts are only welfare when they go to poor people??? It's socialism no matter how you slice it or dice it.
     
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    If it were NOT for MIGRANT FARM LABOR we Americans would be starving to death.
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Who said that?

    Yes, it is socialism. To be technical, its 'state capitalism.'
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Perhaps true, though not proveably.

    Are you suggesting migrant farm labor is tantamount to forced labor? (I ask because you're not quoting what you're responding to, so its hard to tell)
     
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    What I am saying is Americans hate doing hard physical work out in the open elements while at the same time they hate paying life sustaining wages to those who are willing to do it.
     
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    We utilize H-2A Visas to create the workforce for our farms and fisheries.
    Unfortunately, regulation has become a dirty word and the lack of enforcement of said regulation has seen complaints rise astronomically during this administration.

    With commodity prices falling fly-by-night contractors are working this program reminiscent to the post Civil War south. Substandard conditions and NO payment for work performed.
     
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    Not really the case. The big money goes to farms that have lots of owners. A man who owns 1 farm gets 1 check. 8 men who own 1 farm each get the same check that the 1 farmer owning 1 farm got which was one of the biggest criticisms of the program when it started as these multi-owner farms were less likely run by all the owners.
     
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    Ah, No.

    The U.S. exported about $6.6 billion worth of farm goods – not counting forestry products – to China in the first six months of 2020, according to updated data released Wednesday by USDA’s Foreign Agricultural Service. That’s the second lowest pace for exports since 2009, leaving just six more months to get to the promised $36.5 billion by China, according to John Newton, chief economist of the American Farm Bureau Federation.

    In 2019, U.S. agricultural exports to China totaled $13.8 billion, up from $9.1 billion in 2018. China was the third largest market for U.S. agricultural exports.

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    China makes largest US AG purchase...EVER

    https://www.agriculture.com/news/bu...behind on its “phase,said the USDA on Tuesday.

    "Far behind on its “phase one” commitments with the United States, China bought 1.76 million tonnes of U.S. corn, its largest purchase ever of American corn and also the largest sale of U.S. corn to any buyer in three decades, said the USDA on Tuesday. It was the second major corn purchase by Chinese importers in four days."
     
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    Promised $36B, yet you post "largest EVER" of $232M. LOL
     
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    The link says largest ever.

    If you know of one larger and the writer of the article is wrong then please provide it so we can contact the editor
     
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    Well if you think that 0.6% of the promised amount is a great win, congratulation
     
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    I think the largest purchase ever on the way to even more purchases is a great win....

    Not sure why some folks like yourself think it's not a good thing....
     
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    To buy votes.
     
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    To insure adequate farmers and farmland for future FOOD CROPS..
     
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    What have Republicans been telling Democrats, they always create laws and then cry because they get taken advantage of.. Stop electing idiots and these types of programs will not happen :wierdface::roll:

    Yup, even in 1933 the Democrats were doing that ;)
     
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    More socialism on display
     
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    LOL You give farmers $46B subsidy because of lost China sales and one sale worth $132M of produce to China and you think that is a win. China must be laughing at you. You would have been better off giving the produce to China for free.

    It will be so funny to find out that the companies that received some of that $46B subsidy were owned by Chinese
     
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