Justice ready to charge Google with monopoly search practices

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  1. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    In answer to the American Airlines idea, I would say the answer is probably yes, under certain circumstances the government probably could tell the airline they had to fly on Mondays. Of course, Aviation is federally regulated to quite a large degree. At one time, before airline "deregulation," the Feds forced airlines to fly to destinations they didn't want to, even if they lost money on the flight.

    I would be careful to not confuse this with the issue having to do with Hunter Biden and Twitter and Facebook. In my opinion, those are far more egregious but they are not related to this issue with Google. Google sells advertising so if they are monkeying with their algorithm to jinx search results that could have an impact on the customers who are paying them as well as other businesses who are not. It's more like ATT not routing phone calls to Sprint lines than it is net neutrality or censoring by Twitter/Facebook.
     
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    microsoft's issue was they bolted IE to the OS so it could not be installed and made the mistake of admitting why they did it, that said, I never use IE as if it goes bad, can't just uninstall and reinstall it like with other browsers

    but Republicans removed break up from the table, so Microsoft won that one without even having to fight it

    the trade off I believe was the government getting more access to our data
     
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    In that case that's a lawsuit situation between the customers and Google, not a federal government intervention sort of thing. I can't really figure out how this is warrants federal government intervention outside of the fact that Google is blatantly altering their search algorithm to make Trump look bad and we don't particularly like that.

    Fortunately and unfortunately (in this case) Freedom of the Press is just that, they are under no obligation to be fair and balanced. CNN and MSNBC are the most blatantly biased mainstream news outlets in America who are the primary source of information for millions of Americans yet they purposefully report 90%+ negative coverage of the President. I don't see the federal government going after them for that.
     
  4. Lil Mike

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    Well like I said, the freedom of the press issue doesn't have anything to do with this issue with Google. I think because of the timing people are conflating the Google and Facebook/Twitter issues together, when really they are two separate things.

    Anyway here is a CNBC article that explains the Justice Department's interest.

    Here’s why the Justice Department wants to go after Google
     
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    Ah ok yes that was my mistake I was associating this with all the recent talk about Google altering their search engine to put positive Trump stuff on page 3.
     
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    Man you have no idea what you're talking about.
     
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    Or they are altering the results to prioritize people who are google customers, or they are altering their search results to prioritize their own sites, or they are altering their search results to prioritize companies that pay them a per order kickback. There are lots of ways they can skin the cat. They just have to get it in the trap first.
     
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    So, just another attempt to spread fake propaganda as a desperate October surprise, eh?
     
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    It’s probably the first time any of them ever used a different search engine.
     
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    The Republicans didn’t want internet regulation when the Russian social media disinformation campaign served their goals.

    Now that the unregulated social media companies are responding to the criticism they have received for allowing the slime of extremist right wing lies and Russian propoganda to flow through their pipes unimpeded, the GOP want to regulate.
     
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    what are you talking about? The GOP Admin is enforcing the regulations against Google right now...hence the investigation
     
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    ~ As with the Barr /Durham investigation I will believe it when I see it .
     
  14. Lil Mike

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    Please explain what I said is fake propaganda?
     
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    Wait, let me get this straight. The same government who 2 years ago argued that Net Neutrality was bad, and that companies had every right to limit access to the competitors products because it was "fair business practice", is now saying that Google is wrong in doing exactly that because....well, "we think google is unfairly hurting republicans in search queries".
     
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    If you own a business and don't pay Google's ransom, those searching for your registered trademark will see 3 competitors above you in their search results. Its not right.
     
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    If I own a business, and I dont pay the networks ransom money, they won't air my commercial. If I dont pay billboard companies ransom money, drivers won't see my promotion.

    Plus, Google does in fact list businesses and websites that dont pay them, so the premise is false from the start.
     
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    Net Neutrality has nothing to do with this.
     
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    Maybe I wasn't clear. You give up on sleep and time with your family to build a brand name. You pay to air your commercials and the public knows who you are. The person who saw your commercial wants to look you up on google. 3 competitors knock you off and steal your customer for the cost of a click-through. Is this practice okay?
     
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    No, not for you because it directly contradicts your position. You supported it when they took it away, and now your challenging in because it might be used against you

    Pot: Hi
    Kettle: Hi
    Pot: Hey Kettle, did you know your black.....
     
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    no it really has nothing to do with the issue with Google.
     
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    I dont think its a monopoly, I think its Google having a rock solid platform that people are dependent on.

    My company hasn't advertised on Google yet we rank top of Google for all services we offer locally. The algorithm to ranking high is unknown, but lots of good reviews, fresh content, etc. Will get you to the top without paying.

    Again, not a monopoly by the definition.
     
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    Now We Know Facebook Made Changes to Show You Less News From Mother Jones

    Facebook reportedly choked traffic for left-leaning news sites including Mother Jones

    How long until GOP says Facebook is a private company and has the right to do whatever they want with their algorithm? Will the DOJ open an investigation into Facebook for favoring one political party of another???
     
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    did you read your link? It says they impacted those on the right, and they attempted to fix it, and some Mother Jones was impacted more then before
     
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    True. While it is not a monopoly, they have power and do abuse it.
    You are incorrect about being in the top without paying. If your brand generates searches, that traffic is quickly turned into profit. Thats why the top search results have the word AD. in front.

    As far as your company, I with you great success and hope you stay on top.
     

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