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If Biden Wins Will America Have A Severe Sustained Prolonged Belly Ache?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by JAG*, Oct 18, 2020.

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  1. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    It takes longer than 4 years for extremist policies to really take effect. Even if Democrats sweep both the Executive and Legislative Branches of government this is still America and there are still checks and balances in place that they'd have to deal with. Things like pure socialism are a slow burn not an overnight sort of thing. Even when Korea was first split in half the North was doing better than the South economically and folks were actually jumping ship TO North Korea believe it or not. It took a few years to realize what was going on and for things to start to go terribly wrong.

    Biden isn't trying to turn the country into a pure socialist society, thats a Republican talking point. Democrats are trying to implement more socialism-esque policies that I personally believe will have terrible long term results however.

    Either way if you are banking on the notion of "Let America do it so everybody will see what a mistake it was and come crawling back to our current system after 4 years" then you are mistaken. It takes longer than that to realize the mistake, in fact in only 4 years you'd likely have a bunch of people cheering the changes wondering why the hell we didn't do this in the first place. History shows that the citizens of nations who've tried this sort of thing tended to be quite happy with it.....initially.
     
    Nightmare515, Oct 19, 2020
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  2. Cybred

    Cybred Well-Known Member

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    And a job is still a job and govt creates jobs.
     
    Cybred, Oct 20, 2020
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  3. JAG*

    JAG* Well-Known Member

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    Incorrect --a job is not a job in the sense that all jobs are
    alike. There are major differences in job-kinds or job-types
    and I explained all that carefully and will continue to explain
    it.
    See this post
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...nged-belly-ache.579972/page-2#post-1072138264

    A "job" created by Big Intrusive Government that hires one more
    bureaucrat whose "job" is to regulate other people's jobs and
    this bureaucrat is paid by other people's money through tax
    dollars is , , ,

    , , , a totally DIFFERENT KIND of job than one held by,
    say, an employee that works for General Motors who actually
    produces a product that helps other people , , ,

    , , , whereas the Big Intrusive Government bureaucrat
    PRODUCES NOTHING , , ,

    , , , , but is a destructive drain on the American economy and
    produces nothing but economic cannibalism where he/she
    feasts on other people's money while producing economic
    chaos.

    JAG

    PS
    So yes your Intrusive Big Government does produce "jobs"
    but those jobs are not like the jobs produced by Ford Motor
    Company, General Motors, Amazon, Exxon Mobile, Walmart,
    Macy's, etc etc

    PSS
    Government Is A Good Thing , , ,
    There are a huge number of good and true jobs held by
    Government employees. We MUST have Government
    and Government is a GOOD thing says Paul in Romans
    chapter 13 , , ,

    Sayeth The Apostle Paul , , ,
    Start quote.
    "Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there
    is no authority except that which God has established.

    The authorities that exist have been established by God.

    Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling
    against what God has instituted,     and those who do so will bring
    judgment on themselves.

    For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do
    wrong.

    Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what
    is right and you will be commended.

    For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good.     But if you do
    wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They
    are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the
    wrongdoer.

    Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because
    of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

    This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants,
    who give their full time to governing.

    Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes;
    if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.
    ___The Great Apostle Paul in Romans 13:1-7
    End quote.

    _____________


    But there is a HUGE DIFFERENCE in the type of Government described
    in Romans chapter 13 and in Intrusive Big Government that does much MORE
    than what Paul described in Romans chapter 13. The Liberal Democrats, if they
    win in November, will do all they can to legislate into the "Law Of The Land" that
    bulleted list in my OP. You will not like it.

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    JAG*, Oct 20, 2020
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  4. Chrizton

    Chrizton Well-Known Member

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    If Joe wins, not much of anything will get done because he hides anytime Hunter is in the news and the tabloids will be All Hunter All The Time if we have a First Crack-Addict.
     
    Chrizton, Oct 20, 2020
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  5. Cybred

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    Sorry but management jobs are management jobs. Govt creates jobs. also are you saying that being a postal worker is not a job?
     
    Cybred, Oct 20, 2020
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    ...coated with sandpaper, the size of soccer balls. (*shudders*)
     
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  7. quiller

    quiller Well-Known Member

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    Let's put all the unemployed to work on road gangs. Make workfare a national requirement.
     
    quiller, Oct 20, 2020
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  8. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "Former Republican National Committee (RNC) chair Michael Steele announced on Tuesday morning that he would be voting for Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden instead of his own party’s standard-bearer, President Donald Trump.

    Steele, who served as RNC chair from 2009 to 2011, stated in a NBC News op-ed that he “cannot support the nominee of my party.”

    “Rather than seeking to build on the legacy of the Republican Party’s founders, of which Trump is surely ignorant, Trump has posited a single purpose for the GOP — the celebration of him,” Steele asserted.

    “Consequently, America has watched as the Republican Party stopped pursuing its animating principles of freedom and opportunity,” he continued. “It has given up its voice on things that mattered and instead bent the arc of the party towards the baser motives of one man, who is neither a Republican nor a conservative.”
    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/...iden-i-cannot-support-the-nominee-of-my-party
     
    Lee Atwater, Oct 20, 2020
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  9. Cybred

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    Not a problem, we have a lot of infrastructure that needs fixing.
     
    Cybred, Oct 20, 2020
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  10. JAG*

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    What do you think I meant when I wrote the following? , ,

    JAG Wrote In The Very Post You Quoted:
    "PSS
    Government Is A Good Thing , , ,
    There are a huge number of good and true jobs held by
    Government employees. We MUST have Government
    and Government is a GOOD thing says Paul in Romans
    chapter 13"___JAG

    How much clearer could I have made it?

    _______________

    You know very well that I would say YES a postal
    worker is a good and true job.

    I made it crystal clear that I was talking ONLY about
    bureaucrats that over regulate other people's jobs
    and their working conditions.

    The majority of Government jobs are good and true
    jobs both at the Federal and State level.

    JAG

    PS
    If you google "government overreach" you will pull up
    a long list of articles that list examples of the destructive
    over-reaching of Intrusive Big Government -- so all this
    is common knowledge and not some unusual idea.


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    JAG*, Oct 20, 2020
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  11. Cybred

    Cybred Well-Known Member

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    So yes you admit that govt creates jobs.
     
    Cybred, Oct 20, 2020
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  12. JAG*

    JAG* Well-Known Member

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    Your little word games are not at all impressive
    and they reflect that you are attempting to play
    little "gotcha" games instead of seriously reading
    my posts and actually looking at what I write. The
    people on your side know what you are doing -- you
    can't hide it -- and it makes "your side" look bad.

    You know very well what I mean when I say government
    cannot create the kinds of jobs that I carefully described
    to you.

    See my posts at the links below that clearly state and explain my
    positions on Big Intrusive Government and jobs , , , ,
    Here , , ,
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...nged-belly-ache.579972/page-2#post-1072138264
    and here , ,
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...nged-belly-ache.579972/page-3#post-1072141241

    JAG

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    Post deleted by JAG
    Double post in error.
     
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  14. Quantum Nerd

    Quantum Nerd Well-Known Member

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    Fox News viewers will definitely have constant heartburn when being spoon-fed Biden hate 24/7.
     
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  15. Cybred

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    Except it does, you just can't admit it.
     
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    Might be a welcome change after being spoon-fed Trump hate for 4yrs 24/7 by everyone but Fox. Personally I gave up ALL "news media" in favor of my Magic 8 Ball and throwing chicken bones, at least THEY don't smile and lie through their teeth to me.
     
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  17. Quantum Nerd

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    I haven't had cable since 12 years. Haven't missed it one bit, including the bills.
     
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    JAG* Well-Known Member

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    False.
    Continue to play your nonsensical little "gotcha" games.

    JAG

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    JAG* Well-Known Member

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    Will MSNBC viewers have constant heartburn after being spoon-fed Trump hate 24/7 ?

    Will the viewers of the Liberal Mainstream Media have constant heartburn after being spoon-fed Trump hate for 24/7 ?

    JAG

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  20. Cybred

    Cybred Well-Known Member

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    True, still can't admit it.
     
    Cybred, Oct 20, 2020
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    joesnagg Banned

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    Antenna in the attic and Roku on one TV. Paradise.
     
    joesnagg, Oct 20, 2020
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  22. JAG*

    JAG* Well-Known Member

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    False.
    There is nothing to admit ~ ~
    You have had my reasonable position explained to
    you several times and you IGNORE the explanations
    and continue to "post past" the explanations with
    your one-liners.

    JAG

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  23. Cybred

    Cybred Well-Known Member

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    That's because a job really is a job no matter how much you twist the facts. Govt creates jobs.
     
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  24. JAG*

    JAG* Well-Known Member

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    False.
    A job is not a job in the sense that all jobs are equal.
    Re-read the thread.

    JAG

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    Of course, the left has become masters of the absurd, the unscrupulous, of denial, and of conduct in direct contrast to that which common sense would dictate for a reasonable man.
    Reminds me of incorrigible teen delinquents; I once did a program for such a group that is usually done for recovering addicts. The addicts were vastly superior in their thinking over those teens, to the point that it was a total waste of time. Indeed, people without a decent moral compass usually have to hit bottom very hard before they will question themselves- and those sympathetic to their problems need to get totally fed up with them and shut them off. Of course, neither of these groups hold power over the nation, and that makes the situation vastly more important and more dangerous for everyone.
    You simply can't vote crazy into office and expect anything but chaos and crisis to result.
     
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