Constantly crying "fake news" is coming back to hurt Trump

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  1. Have at it

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    Reality is reality, if you didn't give us men in dresses in little girls bathrooms Obama we wouldn't of had Trump.
     
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    Your denial of positive/negative reporting based on party affiliation doesn't change facts.

    You mean fake scandals? Fabricated ones to push a political agenda?

    Nobody is believing it? Lol. In your echo chamber maybe. To everybody else, its very clear that corruption and nepotism existed, and it's also apparent that the media is working hard to spin and supress it, it perfect alignment with the notion that the media is politically bias.

    They are suppressing it. lol. Open your eyes man.
     
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    LOL! You think after four years of nearly weekly scandals or mishaps, which somehow didn't stick to Trump because he has convinced everyone that all media is fake news, a dubious Biden scandal conveniently published as a October surprise by Trump toadies will move the needle? Think again.

    It is clear, however, that the Fox News and QAnon crowd has found their new spiel, which we'll hear about to no end for the next four years, with countless investigations, should Biden get elected.
     
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    Keep denying the media is by and large a farce that is neither unbiased nor non-politically driven. It doesn't matter, and there is no way to change your mind.
     
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    Sure, thanks for confirming that you think the NY Post is a farce. I told you, there is a price to pay for constantly crying "fake news".
     
  6. Patricio Da Silva

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    Only four become articles of impeachment, and the senate acquitted Clinton in a bipartisan vote on all articles. .

    Got anything else?
     
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    Incompetent rebuttal: non argument.

    Detail of above:
     
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    What would be the point of him listing you the names if you aren't even curious enough to do your own investigative research on the matter...

    Obviously, he would've been wasting his time...
     
  9. jcarlilesiu

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    You live in a world of black and white...

    Reality is all shades of grey.

    But have fun with those types of absolutes.
     
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    I love how you are trying to deflect from FACT.. Obama trying to put men in dresses in the little girls bathrooms IS one of the reasons the left elected TRUMP..
     
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    I agree with shades of grey. Just so it is on record. Is the NY Post article fake news or not? Do you think that the story presented in the article raises significant doubts about where the e-mails come from or not? Do you not find Giuliani's involvement concerning?

    In any case, this thread it not really about the NY Post story, and whether it is true or not. It is about one side crying "fake news" for four years, and then actually acting all surprised when the other side uses the same tactic.
     
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    Ill agree that from the perspective of all shades of grey, the media is not X or Y, but rather leans towards a bias that aligns with the liberal agenda. Both in their ability to provide negative articles about Trump, as well as ignore and censor stories about Biden.
     
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    And the right didn't remove pussygrabber trump.
     
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    On contraire, Trump never would of been president if precedent wasn't set for lowering the bar with Bill Clinton.

    See how that works? You do something nasty and the other side uses your own play book.
     
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    Trump had two neither worthy of merit.
     
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    Please reread my rebuttal.
     
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    I disagree.
     
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    Like I didn't know that already. Hell you're still buying all that stupid Russian crap by people trying desperately to keep their ass out of jail.
     
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    Incompetent rebuttal; non argument.


    Incompetent rebuttals are arguments where the salient premise is based on: [highlighted pertains to your comment]
    non arguments, a non argument isn't really debatable or it's not worthy of debate owing to any of the following types, they come in many different flavors, especially those which contain vacuous declarations and/or allegations (which cannot be substantiated, i.e., 'making stuff up'), rebuttals rife with weasel words ( improper use of generalities such as 'some people are saying' 'everyone knows' 'well-established fact'.) ad hominems, loaded terms & phrases,, off topic/irrelevant deflections, sentiments (words that reveal emotional attitude devoid of fact, logic and reason) off point arguments/deflections (off point is a sibling to off topic, where off topic is attempting to highjack the thread. It's done a lot in internet forums, and if the person to whom you directed the topic change accepts it, then you're off into a new direction, but, as such, of course, doesn't refute the original premise offered), egregious strawman arguments, off-the-charts ill-logic, 'kill the messenger" tactics, i.e., attacking the person presenting the argument rather than the argument, itself ( the only time kill the messenger is valid is for a well-established discredited source, such as Alex Jones, David Duke, etc, ), childish remarks, trivialising your opponent's argument -- cheap shot, childish or sophomoric comments arising from ignorance (for example, NYTimes is a 'radical leftist rag' -- that's a remark born out of ignorance, it's also an 'kill the messenger' tactic) and then there is the classic thought-terminating cliché; these are cult-tropes, born out of groups who have a demagogue leader who is the master of implanting them in his flock. See, the demagogue doesn't like dissent, so when anyone challenges someone in his flock, he, being a master mind manipulator, will have planted a number of thought-terminating clichés into the minds of his subjects ( via repetition) so they will toss it up to the opponent in an attempt to kill the conversation ( wrongfully thinking it improves their argument ) so TTCs are simple terms catch phrases or words whose sole purpose is, to kill the conversation, such as 'TDS' "NeverTrumper" "Leftist Loony" (noting that the terms are not necessarily devised by the demagogue himself, they could be created by other believers, or have already been around and adopted by and they catch on with the group ) etc. last, but not least, and a significant debate sin, is posturing; posturing type comments, come in two basic categories, one is where you flaunt, i.e, for example, your military service, but of course if the argument can be improved by your qualifications of expertise in a field, that is okay, what I mean is something like 'I served while you were dodging the draft" whereupon your service doesn't improve your argument about whether dodging the draft was moral, or not, or flaunting your education, or authority of some kind, unless it's pertinent to the argument, and the other type of posturing are those comments which are motivated by puffing oneself up, and this is done by shaming, belittling, mocking, patronizing, 'mansplaining', flaming, where one talks down to ones opponent in order to puff oneself up.
     
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    It wasn't a rebuttal. It was a statement of fact. In order for it to be a rebuttal you'd have had to propose an argument you clearly did not.
     
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    Rudy. He's in the email chain.
     
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    Everything is fake.

    That is the intent of screaming it at the top everytime a story, post, or word is published that isn't what one wants to hear.

    And I intend to agree.
    A rule to go by, believe 1/2 of what you see, and none of what you hear/read.
     
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    Because that list of names doesn't exist.
     
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    Is he? Really....wasn't aware....what was he talking to Hunter about?
     
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