FoxHastings said: ↑ altmiddle said: ↑ And I would argue "everyone" includes unborn children also"" Prove the underlined....and then prove that my posts are only opinion and NOT FACT... What rights do you want a fetus to have.....that do NOT interfere with the rights of the woman it's in? Yes, every BORN person....prove otherwise....????? What TF does that even mean?? I haven't seen anyone say they were... LOL, opinions should be based on facts, not thin air....but you have at it....and I'll go with facts..... If one has facts to back up their opinion it carries much more weight than an opinion based on feelings/ nothing/air... Why could you not answer the question(underlined above)...don't you have an opinion on it
In this entire country EVERYONE should have the basic right of bodily autonomy....it should NEVER vary state by state...
Life - and I do not believe carrying to term is a violation of rights anymore than abortion is for the baby. Sorry if that offends you. That is your opinion and you are welcome to it.
I agree. I have worked for city and state government and it just gets mired in sludge (bureaucracy). Unfortunately, I think many people don't really care to get involved and "just want it solved" without any interests in participating in the democratic process to make that happen. I have been that life-and-death decision maker a few times and you are correct. It's not easy. It's especially hard when family members don't participate and there is squabbling. Of course, there is no guarantee that anybody's final wishes will be carried out but it's nice to have some idea what the person actually wanted at the end stages of their life. I did my best to honor all the wishes of my late loved ones. I just hope that someone will do me the same honor when my time comes.
FoxHastings said: ↑ What rights do you want a fetus to have.....that do NOT interfere with the rights of the woman it's in? Why could you not answer the question(underlined above)...don't you have an opinion on it Women are life....and giving a fetus the right to life is interfering with women's rights. . Carrying to term is not a violation of rights, being FORCED to carry to term IS. BTW, "babies" are not aborted. This is not personal for me. FoxHastings said: ↑ In this entire country EVERYONE should have the basic right of bodily autonomy....it should NEVER vary state by state... It is NOT an opinion, it is a fact... Do you really not care if you have no right to bodily autonomy? You don't mind if someone just takes your heart or your kidneys to save their own life without your consent !!!!???!!! Or is it OK to do that to only women? Should states be able to deny the vote to women and minorities?
To be honest I agree even though I am mostly far left. I don’t believe the government should be able to stop it though. Women should be able to murder their baby if they Choose. I mean just watch Jerry Springer or spend some time living in the city; or for that matter all those redneck fly-over towns too. People who are very stupid and unskilled seem to have the most babies. Its out of control. Its like Deer or Bears . I love all animals but the population gets out of control and we have to kill some.
I live near a redneck fly over town and I have never heard anyone discuss abortion. For that matter we don't have any of the big city negatives out here. Stupid and unskilled doesn't exist out here, as far as I can see. If you like population control then you should want to stop the horde of illegal aliens we welcome every year.
There are no new positions or arguments to present regarding this issue and for that reason I agree with practically every comment posted here because it's based on their personal belief or their individual and unique situation. We need to move beyond this discussion and dive more into the issue of who is required to support the decision, emotionally and financially, e.g. the father or donor, taxpayer. I personally believe that anyone accepting taxpayer assistance, male or female, should be placed on mandated birth control during the period they are accepting assistance. I should not be funding anyone else's family choices. If tax payer money isn't used for abortion then it shouldn't be used for having and raising babies either.
I agree with those presenting facts, not beliefs or opinions. Punish children for their parents choices? No, I believe in helping poor children....they didn't ask to be born.
If the individual is on birth control then a child won't be born. My position has nothing to do with helping those already born.
Liberals killed them? Roe v wade was decided by a conservative majority supreme court. Glass houses and all... Also, both parties need the illigals and as such it is a bipartison problem that wont he solved with finger pointing.
Abortion is one of those issues where it's pretty much irrelevant to me. I'd never try to talk a woman into having one or not having one. That's pretty much sums my feeling up. In other words, it's entirely up to the woman involved. As for political candidates, their stances on abortion, pro-life, pro-choice is also irrelevant to whether I'd vote for them or not. Let's put it this way, abortion isn't on my list of important issues.
Who TF do you think Welfare and other entities( WIC, SNAP,) are supporting? Children. If funding is cut then CHILDREN suffer. It was YOU who posted : " If tax payer money isn't used for abortion then it shouldn't be used for having and raising babies either"""
The right leaning supreme court went by the constitution, the right to privacy, it was a choice made by the women to kill 50 million potential liberal voters and no the right doesn't need the illegals
Yes, I see now where my meaning wasn't clear but I thought I did clear it up when I responded to your first comment. So, to reiterate, my meaning was that if the individual accepting tax payer assistance was on birth control then the percentage of pregnancy is low and the tax payer would not inherit another mouth to feed and raise. It was not meant to be applied to those already born. I hope this clears up any ambiguity in my original comment. There are ways to improve current systems and also help those struggling to succeed long term towards a goal of independence. I think the government needs to establish clear objectives and goals with these programs and they need to be measurable.
FoxHastings said: ↑ How naïve it would to think that only liberals have abortions Actually it's hilarious...
So please explain that to the party who wants clinics like Planned Parenthood shut down. Places where the poor can access and afford birth control...and get an abortion so they don't have another mouth to feed and care for.. Yes, keep open their options for birth control.
