Florida company warns employees they may lose jobs if Biden is elected.

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  1. Borat

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    But I said Trump wasn't Bush :) Trump's GOP is not Bush's GOP, their policies domestic and foreign have nothing in common, like nothing at all whatsoever. (todays dems have nothing in common with Bill Clinton either for that matter)

    Lest we forget that the economy under Republican Reagan was great too.

    Lest we forget that Obama/Biden's economy was sluggish like a Toyota Corolla at best, Trump's economy before COVID was a rocket in comparison, everyone benefitted, millions lifted out of poverty, virtually full employment, skyrocketing stock market, skyrocketing wages across the board....

    Your claim that historically Dems are better for the economy than the Republicans is not necessarily completely inaccurate.... historically... but not any more, we lived through 8 years of Obama and 3 years of Trump. From the economy's perspective they are in different leagues entirely :)
     
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    Please quote where the employer in the OP threatened to fire an employee for voting a certain way......... or retaliation. Didn't happen.
     
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    So you think they're threatening retribution.
     
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    The letter was a definite message to the employees to vote for Trump if they valued their job,that is intimidation.
     
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    Nope. The letter clearly states that secret voting is one of our citizens' most precious rights, and encourages all employees to vote. It does not say who to vote for.

    The election messaging was merely letting employees know the potential economic consequences which might happen in the near future.
     
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    That's because President Biden could cost them their job. It's better they know up front who they are voting for. The letter didn't say they would be fired for it, but that the company may have to lay people off due to the economic policies of Biden. Nothing at all wrong with that.
     
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    Is this the best CTR/Soros/et al could do in trying to project and waddabout the Silicon Valley CEO who sent ~millions? of Emails to customers and related attacking Trump? LOL.
     
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    the letter stated that if the country (not the employees but the country) does not vote for Trump and if Biden wins, they will have to drastically curtail business activity, cut cost and reduce staff in anticipation of the upcoming Biden economic depression, the employees would be well advised to update their resumes.
     
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    vote die trump go
    yep bidens a killer
     
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    You need to work on your syntax.
     
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    Guys, this is way too ambiguous as to both intent or meaning to win a lawsuit. Is the cause of the future firing Biden's election, or will Biden's win produce an impact on the company, that will cause the firing? The ambiguity will serve the defendant of the suit nicely.

    On the other hand, the owner may wish he had not gotten this publicity for what amounts to an in-house manipulative stunt. Staff, patrons, suppliers etc, are not constrained by judicial rule, precedent or practice. Some of them may see this in much more cynical terms and get pissed. Its a bad business practice, especially if you don't know who in your community intended to vote for Trump and won't be charitable here. .
     
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    That's extrapolating quite a lot in the future. But if you want to make of this something wrong, then again, like I said, two wrongs don't make a right.
     
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    Sarcasm doesn't save you from the silliness of your posts, buddy. Movie reference quoter, LOL, shooting the messenger just because the story was recovered by aggregator Yahoo.
    What was I saying about intellectual lightweight? That's the best you can do, shoot the messenger? Newsflash, genius: it wasn't originated by Yahoo; they merely reported it. And see, this is pretty funny. I did say that economists can say something if they are leftists and the opposite if they are rightists the first time I mentioned this article today, and you go through all sorts of pains to prove to me... the same point I had already made???? And you doubt MY intelligence? And you berate me for highlighting intelligence, forgetting what I had just said, that I was only doing it in *response* to what YOU had initiated? So, it's cringeworthy when I say it... but not when you *start* by saying it? Same thing about wealth... you tout your great prowess (not only a software engineer, but doing side app development, LOL, how impressive!) and that's not cringeworthy, but when I tell you how I go to be quite wealthy, it is cringeworthy?

    Who do you think you're fooling? Please, since you're so certain about psychologists studying me, do study a bit of psychology yourself (don't be frightened, it's not just in books, you can look it up online too) and google a psychological mechanism of defense called projection.

    So, your take is that I'm so impressed with you because you hurt my feelings? LOL. Yeah, buddy, I'm so impressed with you and so fixated on you that from now on I'll follow you around and eagerly read your fabulous posts... NOT. Actually I'll just place you on Ignore.

    I'll tell you what: at least there is ONE point in your posts that I actually endorse and believe in. Don't get too excited... it's just one. But here it is. I do believe that you're smarter than Lebron James.

    (Barely).

    That's the standard YOU set for yourself. LOL.

    Over and out, now. Have a long and healthy life.
     
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    They are clearly intimidating voters. Any *reasonable* person can easily see it. What do you actually suppose is their intention, notifying each one of their employees and tenants that voting for Biden will spell doom and gloom... days before the election? Oh, it's just an innocent commentary on predictable economic events? Yeah, right.
     
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    Would you be intimidated?
    If my employer said to me “if Trump wins, it could possibly result in layoffs”...okay it feels silly typing that...:roflol:

    For goodness sakes! Mr. Smith doesn’t have to turn in his ballot to Mr. Daniels. How could he feel intimidated. There is NO possible way for anyone to know who he votes for unless he discloses it. Maybe he’s offended because he knows there’s some truth in what his boss says.
     
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    So you confirm it. Despite the fact that under Trump's watch, the Excess Deaths stats exploded up by 300,000... So, given a higher annual total, if we were to endure 47 years of Trump's public life (fortunately that's impossible since he is 74 years old) the total would be higher than the total in Biden's years (and hey, the population would grow so there would be more people to die, as well). Of course by then and for many other reasons, that would be entirely futile and irrelevant, given that ultimately, the following would happen:

    So, 4 down, 43 Trump years to go. Once his era is complete, let's give it another 25 years (therefore, we're in the year 2088) to be able to depict a conversation between a child and a father (the father, born in 2063, at the end of the Trump era). The conversation is in Russinese, the future official language of the Russia-China superpower bloc that will dominate the world, but for local color, let's translate this future language into that ancient language, English:

    "Dad, what is The United States of America?"
    "Sorry, no idea, son. Never heard of that. Where did you get this from?"
    "There's a reference to a country by this name, in this History file I'm looking up in my implanted cranial computer."
    "Certainly there is no country by this name, now. Just a guess, but maybe it was located in that vast and empty desert in the North American continent, between Canada and Mexico?"
    "Yes, daddy, I'm exploring the file, and that's exactly where it was!"
    "Oh, that. Yes, now I remember. My father vaguely mentioned something about it when I was very young, so my recollection of it is faulty. I seem to remember that I heard from him that something terrible happened there; it seems like it all started when that part of the world moved into a new system of government called Idiocracy. They decided to get the worst possible people in positions of leadership; all of them, science-deniers. It didn't work so well for them, predictably."
    "Idiocracy? Haha, that doesn't sound very smart. Who had this brilliant idea?"
    "Some president there. I don't recall his name. I just remember my father mentioning that weirdly, he had orange skin."
     
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    See, for the intimidation to work, it doesn't mean that the boss would have to know how the employees voted. It means that they'd just think, "the boss man says if I vote for Biden I'll lose my job. So, I better not." A threat doesn't need to be realistic to function as a threat, especially when it is directed at people who are in a weaker position. If some bully tells you "I'll rearrange your face" it's not very credible to think that the bully will manage to put your nose where your front is, and your jaw where your ear is, etc., in some major creepy plastic surgery. It's still a threat. It implies that some vague violence will be done to you involving some hit to your face, even though what he said he'll do is technically impossible.

    Similarly here, it is impossible for the boss to know for certain the content of the employee's vote, but the employee might think "at some point the boss will find out; it will leak somehow, out of a distracted comment made to a co-worker or even he already knows it, due to a comment I've already made; didn't I say to Mary I'd vote for Biden? Can I trust Mary not to rat on me? I think she's my friend, but what if she told someone else? And darn, I put on my Facebook account that I'm voting for Biden; what if the boss saw that or he asked the supervisors to screen our Facebook accounts? If Trump loses he'll be mad and he'll manage to find a way to fire me. Well, we don't want to lose our jobs so even if we hate Trump, we should all vote for him; this is a mid-sized company with a lot of employees, if we all vote for Trump and the election is close enough, maybe we'll make a difference and Trump will win, the boss won't be mad, and we'll keep our jobs. In our next meeting I'll tell everybody that we should actually vote for Trump."

    I mean, if this is NOT what the boss thought he'd accomplish, why in the hell did he send a letter to each employee, days before the election??? Again, what OTHER explanation can be found for his action, considering the timing?

    It's even clearer in the example I contributed, the landlord. It's actually not just a threat, but it is coupled with bribery. "Vote for Trump and I'll freeze your rent. Vote for Biden and I'll increase it." A communication addressed to each and every tenant, days before the election.

    Sure, sure, it's all innocent. The boss and the landlord have the best of intentions... Haha, one needs to be quite gullible to believe in that.
     
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    Maybe predictable to you... but theres a fair amount of folks out there more focussed on football or dancing with the stars than which candidate wants to sacrifice our economy on the alter of faux-environmentalism.

    Just because you don't agree with their assessment doesnt mean they must have an ulterior motive.
     
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    nope sorry biden is responsible for more deaths
     
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    The actual letter sent out is in the first 3 images for you to read.
     
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    People really need to chill about the election. Its not going to make as much of a difference in our daily lives.
     
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    they actually fired the guy for it, not smart

    then again, maybe they are betting Trump wins and sends money their way because of their loyalty - sounds like a losing bet to me

    also sounds like they do not believe Trump wants to end the wars...
     
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    No "extrapolating" there. LOL We could certainly create a parallel universe Idiocracy story about how Socialists/Communists voted for a man with no brain and America turned into 3rd world Venezuela. Only that happened by 2050.

    The fear, hatred and loathing platform which Democrat leadership and media have been selling their voting base just to grab and hold power appears to be nothing short of broad-scale psychological abuse at this point.
     
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    The original, October 6th, local news article says Smith told the television reporter that the letter was "one of the reasons he was quitting his job.

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    https://www.kcra.com/article/firefighters-homeowners-prepare-extreme-fire-danger/34470932


    The updated news story from the same local news station says Smith has "now been fired".

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    https://www.wesh.com/article/layoffs-if-biden-wins-orlando-worker-fired/34454507#

    If I were Smith's lawyer, I would advise him to say he was fired to make a stronger case.

    So, the courts will have to figure out first whether he quit or was fired. If he was fired, were there legitimate grounds, such as having an employee coming to work disrupting business with BLM activism.

    What I don't see is that the letter itself was "voter intimidation". Quitting your job or intentionally getting yourself fired to look for a lawsuit payday does not make this a vote intimidation case. If Smith were "wrongfully fired", that is his strongest and likely only legitimate claim.

    The guy was already a disgruntled employee, seeing how he said "one of the reasons" for quitting. Maybe the big Trump flag flying on company property made him decide to claim this as hid 15 minutes of fame for himself. That's probably not the hill I would choose to die on. LOL
     
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