I am not too sure about that, but that is a conversation for a different sub and thread, I guess. Nah, it is just altruism. Self-sacrifice is in the centre of all religions and sadly even most atheists are altruists too.
I guess I'm confused....Anti-Choicers care nothing for pregnant women or poor children....do we have different definitions of altruism ??
Altruism means "self-sacrifice". That is the term's original meaning and that is the only way in which it should be used. Altru is "other", so it is an "Otherism" where you live you life solely for others.
They do care only for others, in this case the fetus. They demand the woman to sacrifce her own happiness and life for that of the fetus.
LOL, so they have a very selective view of what "others" to care about....not caring about 50% of the population? Does that fit with "altruistic" ? If one "demand the woman to sacrifce her own happiness and life for that of the fetus"" they do NOT care about others...
Bingo! That is the very evil core of altruism. It is a vicious philosophy that needs to be trashed. Sadly, most people of today are altruists. Yes, they do. They do not care abou the self, but only about others. This is why I so often say there is no fundamental difference between "Left" and "Right" and "Pro Choice" and "Pro Life". The only valid reason to support the right to abort is because it concerns individual rights; It is about making sure the only self involved in abortion gets the opportunity to be whom they want to be.
Sperm cells and egg cells are not human life until they unite. Does happiness depend on ending life for convenience?? That is the epitome of "Narcissism"! Quite the opposite. Who told you that sex is purely for your personal jollies with no responsibility or consequence?
Why not? Your initial argument was "DNA" and both carry DNA. Happiness depends on being able to maximise one's own happiness and that could mean terminating a pregnancy if pregnancy is in contrast to one's ability to pursue one's own happiness. We end lives for the sake of happiness all the time. We end the lives of animals to be able to enjoy nice dinners, for example. Anyways, a fetus is not really a human and only humans have rights. The pregnant woman is a human and therefore has the right to her own bodily autonomy. It isn't purely for your own, personal jollies. It is (or at least should be) about romantically and spiritually connecting to another human being and feeling like you are the king/queen of the world capable of anything.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree....one can't care for others while systematically disparaging them and try to take away their basic human rights. And there is a big difference between the right and left when it comes to abortion, the right claims they want it made illegal taking away women's basic human rights...the left DOES NOT. That is a BIG GIANT difference. Pro-Choice is all about women having the same rights as everyone else. "Pro-Life" cares ONLY for the life of the fetus. BIG difference.
Happiness depends on having the same basic human rights everyone else has.... Banning abortion stops women's rights and then they aren't happy....who are you to take away their happiness?
That is the only way in which one can "care about others". The only person who matter is You and if your primary in goal in life is to "care for others", you have to be prepared to sacrifce yourself or someone else who is deemed "less worthy". That is only a superifical difference. On essentials, both camps are in full agreement about the premises; Statism, collectivism and altruism. Why is why I, despite not being anti.abortion, do not label myself "Pro Choice". Which is not even a life and that means they are not Pro Life at all. The term is a contradiction. They are "Pro God" at best. Very, very. very minor.
NO, the following is not a "minor" difference, it's an essential and BIG one: Pro-Choice is all about women having the same rights as everyone else. "Pro-Life" cares ONLY for the life of the fetus. BIG difference.
I agree that the whole Anti-Life/Choice thing is about punishing women.....talk to them long enough and it usually ends with them screaming, " She should have kept her legs together!" See post 238 LOL, right on cue..
What if she wants to? Exactly. A very minor difference as both positions are collectivistic and altruistic. Both camps ignore what is central to the matter; the individual and her rights. Miniscule.
HOW TF do Pro-Choicers ignore the individual and her rights!? They fight to KEEP those rights. Are you arguing just to argue?!
Yes, everyone should always take responsibility for the causes of their actions and think twice before they act to ensure they are not living with contradictions. However, there is nothing inherently irresponsible with having an abortion.
SHE IS!!!!!!! SHE is responsible so it is up to HER to decide what to do.. Why do Anti-Choicers want to make it their responsibility ???
Why is it that liberals having sex is one of the only things which one shouldn't be held accountable for the consequences?
No, I am not arguing just for the sake of arguing. I am being fully serious. Pro Choicers always speak with "women's rights" as the premise of their argument, implying that gender is the primary unit of existence and that abortion is only a right because it is women having them. Rarely or never do they ever make a case based on individual rights.
I am not a Liberal, but I can answer it for you anyways; they do not believe in objective reality, they neglect agency and are generally anti responsibility since it is the State that should be responsible for everyone. Elaborate, please.
Think you touched on something really big here. Spiritual connection? When does a human being receive a spirit? I'm surprised you acknowledge we have one. My belief is that at conception, the spirit enters that mixture of unique dna that I vow to protect to the best of my ability. That ability I admit is very limited due to those with the belief system held by you and others.
