The Clock is Ticking on the GOP's Aging Grasp on Power

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  1. Bassman

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    And 1996 and 1992 and 1980 and 1976 ad infinitum
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    yes, but they have to follow the rules, or they pay fines, ect... just the way it works

    cars are bought to get people places, but you still have to drive the speed limit
     
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    I am more interested in why Liberals want to tax the private sector into oblivion.
     
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    we don't. we want to go back to the rates of Reagan

    not sure why the right wants to give huge tax cuts to the rich and not huge tax cuts to the working class
     
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    And who are the ones taking the most risks? Business owners.
     
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    No. You want to all the way back to Eisenhower
     
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    Clearly you're young, and your perspective is so biased it isnt even worth discussion.
     
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    While I appreciate your input, Cy, that does not address the questions in the OP.

    Are you essentially just surrendering instead of fighting back for what you believe in?

    FTR neither China nor Russia were ever purely socialist nations because communism is totalitarianism no different to that of fascism or unregulated capitalism or theocracies. In ALL of those you will observe the Ruling Elite with a Do As I Say Not As I Do attitude.
     
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    Because unless you are ONE MAN BAND business you have EMPLOYEES who are the ones that are actually GENERATING your PROFITS.

    GREED obsessed EXPLOITATION not only causes POVERTY and CRIME but it also UNDERMINES the principles upon which out nation was FOUNDED.

    Hardworking Americans are NOT "resources" to be abused and then DISCARDED like trash when YOUR profits are in a market downturn.
     
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    Bogus STRAMAN with ZERO substantiation.
     
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    Irrelevant!

    When you EMPLOY someone you ASSUME the RESPONSIBILITY to pay them a living wage with benefits.
     
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    :roflol:

    So the INVERSE of that inane comment is that you are way too OLD and your perspective has ATROPHIED to the point where you are UNABLE to actually ANSWER any of the OP questions?

    :roflol:
     
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    WRONG.....you pay enough to get the job done.
     
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    Says who? Biggest COST in any business is labor. And if it cuts into.my.profits to the point of either jacking up prices or layoffs, well, you get the drift. Business is all about profit and loss.
     
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    The end result of that kind of binary attitude is the GREED OBSESSION that is DESTROYING our nation.
     
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    Just to put into perspective what it means to ALWAYS put PROFITS over and above PEOPLE this is what is happening to REAL people NOW!

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/coronavirus-pandemic-fear-anxiety_n_5f9655fdc5b69b2ad5ac2742

    FTR I paid my own employees through the first lockdown and I will do so again if there is another lockdown. They are not responsible for the virus and their very survival depends upon their income. Personally I would not be able to live with myself if I put my own profits over and above their health and/or lives.

    Yes, the above is anecdotal but it HIGHLIGHTS the stark difference between being GREED OBSESSED and understanding that money is only necessary if you wake up tomorrow and still have bills to pay.
     
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    And what will happen is businesses will shutter because of lack of sales. They DON'T exist to be social welfare agencies.
     
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    Any corporation that does not have any reserves for bad times does NOT have competent executives. If it FAILS then those EXECUTIVES are to BLAME, not the employees.
     
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    Ever hear of a concept called overhead? And guess what the number one cost is? It sure isn't plant and operating expenses. It's labor. And number two are taxes and regulatory expenses.
     
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    Utterly IRRELEVANT to the point that I made about EXECUTIVE RESPONSIBILITY.
     
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    The worker tries to help the owner make a high profit so he can pay the worker a living wage. No one should be working at cross purposes here.
     
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    Yup!

    What is missing among the Greed Obsessed is the basic concept that if you pay EVERYONE a PITTANCE you will have no customers for your products.

    Henry Ford figured out that paying much MORE than the bare minimum he would have a LOYAL workforce that would work harder to keep their jobs and, most importantly, be able to afford his products. His success DEPENDED upon WORKERS being able to PURCHASE his vehicles.

    Somehow the Greed Obsessed have either FORGOTTEN or NEVER LEARNED the lesson that Henry Ford figured out a century ago.
     
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    This is quite the case. Ford would have his bosses make surprise visits on his employees to see if they were keeping clean homes and they were welcomed for dinner as honored guests. Workers at Ford plants had to be restrained from beating up Union organizers themselves.

    The present crop of Republicans want to follow the medieval pattern of a hereditary nobility lording it over the impoverished serfs instead of a nation of entrepreneurs all working together to make each other rich
     
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    I can't help wondering what the future holds for the POT. Will it permanently split from the GOP once the Adulterer-in-Chief is off the big stage? Will Trumper's and establishment Repubs reconcile? I don't see how they can as the former has devolved in to cult status, a group of misinformed people who are largely detached from reality. If Repubs remain fractured on a national level doesn't that mean Dems take control by default?
     
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    Good questions that I have been wondering about that too.

    There probably is a faction of Republicans, like Kasich, who want to take back the party from the extremist rightwing cultists but I suspect that it is not going to just be a matter of the adults sending the kids to bed and cleaning up the mess they made to use that as a metaphor.

    The GOP was faced with this same dilemma in the not so distant past and they opted to do nothing at all about it BY CHOICE. From what I gather they did the math and figured out that they were toast WITHOUT the extremist rightwing cult votes. They saw no reason to alienate any part of the SHRINKING white demographic. The same math might still apply since there are not enough non-whites in senior positions in the GOP to make the case for appealing to those other demographics.

    While this intraparty schism remains unresolved there is going to be no new unified direction for the party and the current direction leads to political impotence thereby forfeiting control to the Dems by default.

    Step back to the beginning of the current Rise and Fall of the GOP and you realize that they grew using negative messaging rather than positive. That has now played itself out and there is nothing left but the detritus floating like scum on a stagnant backwater bayou.

    An entirely NEW message needs to come about from scratch.

    Be interesting to see what transpires.
     
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