Police fatally shoot a man in West Philly

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  1. Enuf Istoomuch

    Enuf Istoomuch Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, well, here I am recalling what my mother, a nurse, told us about handling mentally ill patients who were off their meds and acting out. The cops stood back and the hospital handed it. Sent a doctor, a nurse and an orderly in an ambulance. They took a mattress with them. Crowd the patient into a corner, give a shot of something and all done, easy peasy. Used to be such tactics existed, but now all we see are tactics of escalation. Tell a mentally ill person to follow a command they cannot process, cannot comprehend. Kill them when they do not comply.

    Then use the words "He was armed with a knife" and "Officers followed their training".

    Look, you show me a homeowner who shoots an armed burglar dead and I will applaud the homeowner.

    Or show me a police officer who survives a shootout with some robber, and the robber dies, and I'll applaud the heroics of that officer.

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    But these cases of not just mentally ill people but all sorts of people getting shot dead because cops routinely make the situation worse is a massive problem. Especially when I think about what my own mother told us of her fifty year career and how such things were handled back then. That was the 1950's, 60's, 70's for the most part. Then something changed and kept changing for the worse. Police actually moved away from de-escalation and towards methods that only increase the threat.

    Which is why this dead guy's family had called for an ambulance, not the police.

    I know there are countless good people in police uniform. I know they face a tough job. But there is obviously something seriously screwed up in how we deal with these situations and if it doesn't get fixed, it can only get worse.

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  2. mudman

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    Wow....tons of nonsense here. Lots of empty statements with zero evidence backing them up.

    1. The cops did try to de-escalate. They didn't shoot first, they gave orders. They didn't shoot second, they backed away. When it became clear those didn't and weren't working, they shot to ensure their safety.

    2. You act like being mentally ill made this guy less dangerous....it didn't. The knife kills all the same regardless of who uses it. And do we even know he was mentally ill? He was certainly capable of having a bunch of kids.

    3. Cops making situations worse? As I've already alluded to, that absolutely did not happen here. It also doesn't happen hardly ever. You couldn't and I'm assuming you won't support this statement at all.

    Now, a better question that we should be asking is why on earth are their people like you who can't even utter the phrase "he shouldn't have gone after police with a knife". Why is that so hard for today's leftists? Are politics that important to you that the safety of the american people is a complete afterthought?
     
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  3. HTownMarine

    HTownMarine Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, unfortunately someone mentally ill with a weapon and violent intent act similar to everybody else with a weapon and violent intent.

    Especially when those people are well aware the next time they're get arrested, they are going away for a long time because they've got a rap sheet full of felonies. They've got nothing to lose.

    You'll notice a trend... many of those killed by police (I would say the majority) have a history of violent acts. Do you think that is a coincidence? Or could it be they're just violent people and their past is evidence of that?
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "The Whole Worlds Going Crazy" April Wine :) Especially in the US part of the world - but lots of other places too.
     
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    LOL ole sharp shooter. Let me get this right, man attempts to attack police with deadly force and you and Biden think police should use non deadly force in return. Brilliant and I'm certain that's what you would have done...Beyond ignorant at best.
     
  6. Space_Time

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    I understand what happened to his father but is it possible adults are telling him what to say:
     
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    I think what the adults need to tell this son is don't do stupid crap like his father did because when you chase a cop with a gun pointed at you with a knife you should expect to be shot because you are threatening with a deadly weapon. Unfortunately all the left will teach him is that he's a victim, which of course leads to more division. Congrats lefties for attacking your police with a black dem chief, with a dem boxx/mayor, in a dem lead state. Burn baby burn should be Biden and the lefts motto.
     
  8. Maccabee

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    It took 13 shots to get a knife wielding man charging police and bystanders to stop. Justified.
     
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    They weren't trying to kill him. They were trying to end the threat as quickly as possible which meant using lethal force. As to why this happens so often, it's a lot more complicated than "PoLiCe Be OfF tHe ChAiN." There's deep rooted socioeconomic and even racist legislative issues at play.
    Nope.
     
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    Hopefully more information available:
     
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    There are two options for police as defined by Joe Biden. Dialog with a social worker. Or a gunshot to the leg.
     
  12. HockeyDad

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    Because that is what the thugs do. Funny that a thug getting killed during the commission of crime gets more press and outrage than a thug traveling 30 miles from his home to murder a washed up actor (Eddie Hassell). Thug Lives Matter... all other lives do not.

    https://www.westport-news.com/news/article/Man-18-arrested-in-slaying-of-actor-Eddie-15705724.php
     
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    The government/media complex is nothing more than mind control, like something out of an Orwell novel, or what we once read about in Science Fiction, but thought it could never happen to us.
     
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    Totally justified shoot, why would anyone have a problem with this?
     
  15. Space_Time

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    Not surprising given the current climate:
     

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