Can hate win an election?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Josephwalker, Oct 25, 2020.

  1. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2010
    Messages:
    78,717
    Likes Received:
    19,868
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Story? What? Story????
    It is a communication problem.
     
  2. Steelandrye

    Steelandrye Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2020
    Messages:
    371
    Likes Received:
    97
    Trophy Points:
    43
    Gender:
    Male
    Exactly
     
  3. XploreR

    XploreR Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2014
    Messages:
    7,785
    Likes Received:
    2,704
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The human rights policies of Democrats & Republicans reversed during the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s. You are right that the Democrats supported slavery & Jim Crow before Martin Luther King, Jr. And, Republicans supported ending slavery in the beginning of their party, but after 1870, they quickly lost interest in the welfare of those freed, & became the party of big business. In the campaign of 1968, the Republican Party initiated its "Southern Strategy" wherein it decided to support white status quo against the Civil Rights Movement in the South, to gain voter support. That's when Southern states became Republican. Since then, it's been the Democratic Party which has supported human rights for all--not Republicans. It still is.
     
    DEFinning likes this.
  4. Steelandrye

    Steelandrye Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2020
    Messages:
    371
    Likes Received:
    97
    Trophy Points:
    43
    Gender:
    Male
    Democrats care about the welfare of Black people? you’ve had over 400 people shot in the past few months in Chicago alone.. Run by democrats for the past eighty years.. all the race riots are happening in towns run by democrats if your welfare in human rights were legitimate why is there so much closer racism?
     
  5. XploreR

    XploreR Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2014
    Messages:
    7,785
    Likes Received:
    2,704
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You are at least partly right. But the truth is, racism is everywhere in America, regardless of whether it's currently red or blue. Do you think Trump's policy of separating children from mothers at our borders is not racist? Do you think Republican determination to stifle voting in "certain districts" in this current election aren't racist? Do you think Trump's only policy as President since running in 2015, to completely undo every achievement of the Obama administration, isn't racist? I foolishly thought that after voters re-elected Obama for his 2nd term, we'd finally moved beyond racism in America. Trump & his supporters have proven me, & all of us under that illusion, wrong. You are only partly right because you're allowing something inside you refuse to see the whole picture. Racism is deeply woven into the fabric of America & Americans, regardless of whether they are leftist or rightists, Democrats or Republicans. That's nothing to crow about. It's something that shames us all.
     
    Last edited: Nov 1, 2020
    DEFinning likes this.
  6. Pred

    Pred Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2011
    Messages:
    24,355
    Likes Received:
    17,349
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Your first problem is blaming racism for anything done against a minority. That is nonsensical and illogical. Why don’t you ask why Obama was separating Mexican families? He was obviously racist against Hispanics, correct? And when he called white cops morons he was racist as well? When any black person criticizes a white person it’s RACIST... OBVIOUSLY!!! That’s the logic right?

    The only Real Racism and bigotry woven in our society is Affirmative Action. It’a legal sanctioned bigotry.
     
    Last edited: Nov 1, 2020
  7. XploreR

    XploreR Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2014
    Messages:
    7,785
    Likes Received:
    2,704
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I'm not saying every action against a minority is racist, but the examples cited in my post are based on racism. Affirmative Action was designed to force integration after a century of trying to do it incrementally failed completely. Now that we know that some of that racism is still present & active in our society today, Affirmative Action might still have a place.
     
  8. Pred

    Pred Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2011
    Messages:
    24,355
    Likes Received:
    17,349
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You forgot to add IMO. If Trump is racist for separating families than Obama is also racist for doing it. And hint hint, many aren’t families. They have no ID or any way to prove who is a legal child or who’s the parent. Couldn’t give a crap what happens to trek besides being turned around a sent home. They have NO LEGAL RIGHT TO BE HERE and we have NO OBLIGATION to let people in just because they want to live here. Poor, uneducated people with no ID, are a danger to our country.
     
  9. Steelandrye

    Steelandrye Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2020
    Messages:
    371
    Likes Received:
    97
    Trophy Points:
    43
    Gender:
    Male
    If I break they law I get separated from my family,, it’s not racist.. have you thought about this before posting lol.
    Who can’t vote?? Names?? And Obama? 7,000 black were killed in Chicago alone under his administration.. he’s the head racist.. you need to stop your fallacies. All
    Cries of racial oppression only comes from towns run by democrats.
     
    joesnagg likes this.
  10. XploreR

    XploreR Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2014
    Messages:
    7,785
    Likes Received:
    2,704
    Trophy Points:
    113
    First, while it is true that both Obama & Trump incarcerated children along our border, Obama didn't separate infants from mothers by force the way Trump has. Obama was faced with hordes of children crossing that border alone, many sent by their mothers, hoping their children could have a chance of a better life here, knowing they couldn't come along. Trump made it a national policy to separate children from mothers--even infants totally dependent on those mothers--as a tool to discourage immigrants from entering the U.S. Trump compounded the problem by failing to keep adequate records to allow reunification of families later. Kidnapping is a felony. Trump kidnapped several thousand innocent children, locked them up for an undetermined span of time, & now over 550 children who were victimized by this horrendous unAmerican policy, are unable to be reunited with their parents because Trump doesn't know who those parents are. This alone is significant enough to erase any support I may have had for Trump. Republicans used to support what they called "family values." Trump destroys families for no good reason, & still makes speeches supporting that policy. I could never vote for him I feel comfortable with myself again, ever. Trump must be forcibly retired by our vote Nov 3. Send him back to his tower. Get a man with some integrity into the Oval Office again. Vote Biden!!!
     
  11. Steelandrye

    Steelandrye Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2020
    Messages:
    371
    Likes Received:
    97
    Trophy Points:
    43
    Gender:
    Male
    Obama? 7,000 blacks were shot in Chicago under his term many were separated from family and children .
     
  12. Warm Potato

    Warm Potato Active Member

    Joined:
    May 5, 2018
    Messages:
    170
    Likes Received:
    70
    Trophy Points:
    28
    Gender:
    Male
    That title kills brain cells
     
  13. XploreR

    XploreR Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2014
    Messages:
    7,785
    Likes Received:
    2,704
    Trophy Points:
    113
    1. It depends on the law you break. In any community I've ever lived in, you don't get arrested & jailed for a misdemeanor. Entering the U.S. illegally under current law is a misdemeanor, not a felony. Trump is treating families attempting to enter the U.S. all as felons. They aren't. And under our laws, not even felonies are deemed serious enough to separate infants from mothers permanently. . .except under Trump. And, yes, I've thought about this a lot, & it makes me mad. My America was the country that stood for the rights of man, not this kind of abuse. You can argue for it all you want, but what does that say about the kind of person you are? Are they attributes you'd like in a friend or a spouse? I wouldn't.
    2. It was in the news this week that in one state Republicans were going to court to try & disqualify 100,000 votes. Those votes were from a district where darker skinned Americans lived. I don't know the outcome, but Republicans are attempting to do this in various dark-skinned districts in many states across the nation--especially red states. Yes, many blacks have been killed in Chicago, & other locations, under Obama's term of office & Republican ones too. No party has the distinction of being the only one victimized by racism. Racism is found in every community & under every politician, regardless of party or their personal persuasion toward left or right, or even how they feel about racism personally. Racism is deeply embedded in our society--unfortunately. Obama wasn't racist. He was half white & half black himself. To be racist would be to dishonor half of himself. That's crazy. But Obama was President of the U.S., not mayor of Chicago. Obama was kept pretty busy just dealing with federal problems. He wasn't personally responsible for unrest in Chicago or any other city or town anywhere else. Nor did he have the authority to change things in any of them. Those are state & local jurisdictions, not federal. Your accusations of Obama's guilt are both wrong & misplaced. If you actually believe racial oppression only comes from towns run by democrats, you are seriously misinformed. :(
     
    DEFinning likes this.
  14. Enuf Istoomuch

    Enuf Istoomuch Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2018
    Messages:
    663
    Likes Received:
    524
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Can hate win an election?
    You have got to be joking.Voters have routinely been voting for one candidate over the other on the singular virtue of one not being the other since our American Republic was created.Candidates have been leveraging this reality since the earliest days.

    As for hate, the perpetrator of that factor as a tool of party politics has been a Republican strategy for a long time, though never as severe as now under the Trump Cult. Trump constantly attacks, demeans and insults even American Heroes. What the hell is that if not using his hate and disdain of our military forces as a campaign tool?

    More than that, claiming the only thing the liberals are campaigning on is "hate" is deliberate ignorance. They've been talking about plans for this and that issue all along, and have published those plans and intentions.

    I do not want Biden/Harris, but they are merely common liberal politicians to contend with. As compared to Trump, in whom we have a traitor to the Republic, responsible for massive death and economic ruin. Among many other leadership failures that have gravely damaged the USA and our standing in the world.

    I make no predictions, but I hope that Biden wins. If that happens the Republican Party may face a reckoning internally, one it is in desperate need of if the Conservative Movement is to regain its squandered vitality.
     
    DEFinning likes this.
  15. XploreR

    XploreR Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2014
    Messages:
    7,785
    Likes Received:
    2,704
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Obama wasn't in charge of Chicago. That was the mayor of Chicago. You're confusing jurisdictions & blaming Obama for something he had no control over. Is that because he's black? Just curious.
     
  16. Pred

    Pred Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2011
    Messages:
    24,355
    Likes Received:
    17,349
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Not our families. And babies are used as tools to squirm into the country. Sorry. These same people will come to the border pregnant and force us to treat them, abusing our laws by plopping out anchor babies. They’ll also sleep with the first citizen they can wrap their legs around to exploit our charity. If we need to be tough, so be it. There is NO GUARANTEE any child being dragged across the border belongs to the adult holding its hand.

    That’s the **** we have to deal with. Millions trying to exploit their way into the country every year which turns into generations of illegals changing the country for the worse.
     
  17. Pred

    Pred Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2011
    Messages:
    24,355
    Likes Received:
    17,349
    Trophy Points:
    113
    True. And Trump has zero jurisdiction over blue states and their Covid policy, yet Democrats keep lying and blaming him for every single death. It’s because he’s a white male isn’t it?
     
  18. XploreR

    XploreR Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2014
    Messages:
    7,785
    Likes Received:
    2,704
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I concede that there are individuals who fit your negative description, but I disagree they represent the majority. Do you really believe you can pour all immigrants--or even all Latino immigrants into your narrow, exceedingly negative post? I don't think so.
     
  19. XploreR

    XploreR Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2014
    Messages:
    7,785
    Likes Received:
    2,704
    Trophy Points:
    113
    No, it's because Trump failed to set up a national central control center for coordinating our national response to this global pandemic. Instead, he thoughtlessly handed it all over to the 50 individual states. So, instead of a coordinated response from the U.S. as a nation, we had 50 different, totally discoordinated responses, with each based on their own evaluation of the crisis. That's why we blame him. He could have made things much better & far fewer deaths from this virus. He failed to do that.
     
  20. Pred

    Pred Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2011
    Messages:
    24,355
    Likes Received:
    17,349
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Not at all. I stress ILLEGAL!! Those just showing up at the border do indeed fit into a similar category. They can easily be poured into the same pot. Poor, uneducated and have nothing to offer the country to make it better. Latinos or anyone for that matter who go through the proper channels, fill out the documents and apply legally, can offer something positive to the country. They have IDs. They have bank accounts and most likely skills. They’re not trying to jump the line. They’re not exploiting the system. They deserve it. So I have less issue with anyone going through legal channels. But we don’t need more people. We have too many as is. The ONLY people we should be taking are those that fill a need.
     
  21. Pred

    Pred Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2011
    Messages:
    24,355
    Likes Received:
    17,349
    Trophy Points:
    113
    He has no legal right to force any state to do anything they don’t want to do without becoming what Leftists want him to be, a fascist. And it would have been irresponsible to force some states to do what others needed to do. Main is NOT NYC. Idaho is not CA.

    But it’s very possible lives could have been saved if we locked the entire country down for a year. We’d have food shortages and eventual riots not to mention an economy 10X worse, but at least we would have delayed the deaths of many people that literally were going to die within the year.

    We couldn’t legally lock people in their homes like they did in S. Korea. Sounds nice don’t it?
     
    quiller likes this.
  22. Steelandrye

    Steelandrye Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2020
    Messages:
    371
    Likes Received:
    97
    Trophy Points:
    43
    Gender:
    Male
    Lol dude you can’t cross our border and not go to jail are you out of your mind!? Stay out of my country you don’t belong here we are suffering that is invading our country Texas rangers used to kill people that cross the border illegally and pile there bodies up! If you invade my country you are a enemy do not come here I warn you!
    Lol hahhhaha that’s funny
     
  23. Steelandrye

    Steelandrye Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2020
    Messages:
    371
    Likes Received:
    97
    Trophy Points:
    43
    Gender:
    Male
    This was actually obama’s hometown. And he was president and he did nothing after hundreds and hundreds of blacks were getting murdered. It’s one of the most racist periods Of time in American history
     
  24. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2008
    Messages:
    94,819
    Likes Received:
    15,788
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Neither Joe Biden nor Kamala Harris will ever be President of the United States.
     
  25. XploreR

    XploreR Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2014
    Messages:
    7,785
    Likes Received:
    2,704
    Trophy Points:
    113
    In general, I agree with the points in your post. Congress should give us a new immigration law based on the ideas you present here, but we need to find a more humane way of enforcing it than Trump has done.
     

Share This Page