How does a secular or atheist person get a religious and / or spiritual experience?

No one argued differently, but thanks for showing what is obvious.

You would seem brighter if you followed the topic and did not put issues that no one brought up.

You want the theist in question to have two god, so to speak, and expect him to reject one of them.

If he is a theist and tribal, as we all are, his loyalty should be to his god and not his government. Otherwise, he is lying about his religious beliefs.

The majority do but that is another issue.

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DL

 

You were the one that claimed theists had to be theocrats - and I said nothing about two gods. Perhaps are confusing me with someone else.

My comments had nothing to do with "loyalty" however, if one is being loyal to the teachings of Jesus - one will not force religious belief on others through law.

 

Mushrooms!

 

Why would one want or need to?

 

Loyalty to god and or state was in here somewhere.

If we had no murder or theft law, who cares where the idea came from.

Jesus tried to force his beliefs on those around him. Forced is of course the wrong word as beliefs cannot be forced. They can be forced to adhere to is all.

We seem to be not listening to each other and jumping all over the place.

Best to end here.

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DL

 

Problem resolution and or enlightenment.

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DL

 

Been trying to listen - and perhaps your failure as a student is my failure as a teacher - so I shall try harder

I can believe in Zeus, Athena, or El - God of Abraham, What these gods want of me is a different question .. - one which there is no answer.

I only bring up the main teaching of Jesus because it happens to coincide with Gaia's teaching - A teaching the Universe has been screaming out for millennia .. and because it also coincides with secular teaching of the enlightenment thinkers with respect to matters of the State

Don't do to others what you Hate - The rest is all commentary - Rabbi Hillel 110 BC - 10AD. but this rule was known 2000 years before .. codified into Law in Hamurrabi's code .. He also claimed his law was sent by God .. and who cares .. this is a good one that has stood the test of time .. Confucius cited this rule . as did Buddha ..

So .. If you don't want others forcing their religious beliefs on you through physical violence .. then you should probably not be doing this to others.

In your above post you did not distinguish between the two types of Law .. Protection from Direct Harm" .. being one kind .. that which we all agree on regardless of religion or creed (Murder, Rape, Theft .. and so on ) protection from direct harm .. one person on another. This is why early societies formed the social contract ... Classical Liberalism... 101.

We all agree to these laws - that these are the legitimate authority of Gov't - and if God said this somewhere .. good for her.

Its the other type we are discussing .. Essential Liberty - where the Gov't has no legitimate authority - of its own volition - to mess with - regardless of what your God or my God happens to think.

 

They become Democrats and worship government.

 

Ah yes. Flip a coin, better odds for problem resolution. As for enlightenment, yep, go with hallucinogens, see something & start a religion... that’s how it’s done.

 

We all create our gods. Even you. We all do it differently, based on what we know or learn from others, and our own subjective conclusions.

The supernaturalstupid thinkers wont see it that way.

Of course god is a naturalist. It is obvious.

If you can't see a natural and non-supernatural god in all of creation, you are not looking the right way.

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If you do not seek, you will not find.

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DL

 

Or Republicans and worship Jesus while acting mand thinking satanically.

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DL

 

Is negated by scriptures that say that the loving thing to do is correct, even if painful.

We all hate to be corrected but without it, we, well, you see what we do if you look at the garbage Pope and garbage President.

The lunatic right wing should recognize what following a genocidal god has done to their moral sense, if they ever had any.

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DL

 

"Do unto others" is the loving thing to do .. so this supports rather than negates.

In any case - "The Bible" is only one source from about 10 that I mentioned.

It would be good if the Religious right would follow this rule .. but they do not.

 

We are slowly educating them. Too slow, but it is what it is.

The governments are trying hard to keep us dumbed down but out collective spirit will not allow it.

What can you expect from nations whose mainstream religionist are fascist.

What we used to hate, now we tolerate and embrace.

Stupid is as stupid does.

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DL

 

One has to separate the dangerous ideology from the less dangerous kind - keeping in mind that after all - religion is a form of sophisticated mind control. - but there are different levels - and some practitioners are shadier than others - in particular those that get involved in political activism such as the RR - which brings me around once again to my initial premise - Difference between A) having a religious belief and B) Forcing that belief on others though physical violence (Law)

 

Our governments are not interested in the moral standards of the religious, as long as they are voting for him.

The last thing they will ever do is compare religious ideologies because they would then have a standard to put against their own political ideologies. Those might be found to be less that what they want us to think.

Like the religious, politicians do not want to have their ideologies judged.

The Noble Lie must be maintained. They do not want a well educated society. It would force them to govern well. There is not enough pay back for them to scrap their corrupted status quo.

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DL

 

https://christianuniversity.org/courses/10-reasons-to-believe-in-christ-rather-than-religion/

 

In what way is this life spiritual?

 

it's what makes you you

 

Most non-believers say they are spiritual but not religious.

What would a spiritual experience look like to you?

Is it what some call enlightenment? Enlightened about what?

To my thinking, enlightenment or spiritual thinking would inform us that man is above the gods.

Thoughts?

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DL

 

I have as many reasons to reject Jesus.

The main one is his genocidal character and his promise to genocide us again at Armageddon.

Are you looking forwards to that the way right wing Christian fascists do?

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DL

 

having an Out of the Body experience would be one

many Buddhists are Atheist

 

Drugs.

 

The most intelligent of us will be, or will be and do what I have done.

Try to improve things from within the religious envelope, because Christianity helped me out as a youth.

I try to repay that debt by correcting their thinking and showing a moral position.

They do not like me for it.

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DL