At Least 35 Dead, Dozens Wounded In Kabul University Gunman Attack: Report

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  1. VotreAltesse

    VotreAltesse Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ISIS mean Islamic State in Syria and yes they've lost in Syria. But radical Islam is a hydra, cut a head another would appear somewhere else.
     
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    WRONG !!!!

    https://www.csis.org/analysis/real-world-capabilities-isis-threat-continues
    ISIS is no exception. It is still active in Syria, Iran, and other countries. Furthermore, U.S. official intelligence and military reporting makes this all too clear, regardless of political claims to the contrary. So does the historical record.
     
  3. VotreAltesse

    VotreAltesse Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    BTW, they're active. They're a byproduct of sunni Islam and they will remain active for a long time. However their wannabe caliphate doesn't exist anymore in Syria and Iraq.

    That's what I said, it's a hydra.
     
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    I must confess both shock and ignorance. I didn't know Afghanistan had a university.
     
  5. Thingamabob

    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The U.S. also claimed there were WMD's in Irak and that Israel was a "good guy" ..... so what do you expect from Washington? Truth? LOL! :laughing:
     
  6. mdrobster

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    ISIS still exists in Syria.
     
  7. mdrobster

    mdrobster Well-Known Member

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    I do expect the truth, the fact that they do lie doesn't change what is expected.
     
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    There was WMD in Irak. Not to the amount that necessitated an invasion, but both the Russians and the USA sold WMD to Irak in the 70's and 80's and Saddam never demonstrated that he had got rid of them.

    Israel is a geographical region, it isn't good or bad. The Israeli are like everybody else... A mix of good and bad.
     
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    I think I agree with you but I'm not sure. We all hope for the truth (always) but regards to the U.S. official info, there are VERY FEW people around the world who expect any truth to come from them.
     
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    We do agree !!
     
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    The ISIS proto state has been destroyed. ISIS or something similar will likely always exist, but when we say ISIS is defeated we are talking about the physical state they held. Islamic extremism will never be defeated, at least not in our lifetime. All we can do is minimize the threat by striking it down when it starts to grow too strong.
     
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    I don't know where you get your facts !!!

    https://www.usip.org/publications/2020/08/current-situation-syria
     
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    So no facts just assertions.
     
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    it says on that page that they were driven from their strongholds in Iraq in Syria. They have no territory. They are just another insurgency without a home, like I said. Where is this state that you think they have? They gave no real territory. No state. Like I said.
     
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    The article states, ISIS is still active in Syria.

    ISIS is no exception. It is still active in Syria, Iran, and other countries. Furthermore, U.S. official intelligence and military reporting makes this all too clear, regardless of political claims to the contrary. So does the historical record.
     
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    of course it is still active. It probably always will be, by that name or another. That’s not the issue. They have no state, no territory. They are an insurgency. Like I said.
     
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    Well the petty semantics aside, they exist, and if it wasn't for the Kurds in the region, they would be more visible. Just because they can't overtly claim land, doesn't mean they aren't capable.
     
  19. Josh77

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    So basically they’re at the same level as every other insurgency and terrorist organization, where before they had territory, resources, population under their control, etc etc.

    That’s as good as war against these groups can be expected to get. Better results would take either generations to accomplish, or involve something horrible like genocide. So I think we have the best results possible at the moment.
     
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    No they are still a threat, it didn't go away like Trump said.
     
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    I disagree. They are no more a threat than any other terrorist group. That's you you fight terrorists. You can never really eradicate them. You beat them down to a point where they are RELATIVELY no longer a threat. As they get stronger again, you step up efforts to knock them back down. Like I said, barring multigenerational programs or genocide, thats the best anyone can hope for. So yeah, Trump was victorious, where Obama utterly failed.
     
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    Or one can fight them at the fundamental level and don't allow them to grow. Our presence there had helped, the military are good ambassadors.
     
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    What do you think I’m talking about when I say multi generational program? That sort of thing doesn’t work in a handful of years. The hate ingrained in ISIS and their supporters runs very deep. It’s not the sort of thing building generators or dropping off schoolbooks is going to fix.
     

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