Some republicans are suggesting we should 'redo the election'.

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Patricio Da Silva, Nov 9, 2020.

  1. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The immature name calling was the part Trump would approve of. I point that out because we deserve better than Trump, but not if we act like him.
     
  2. DentalFloss

    DentalFloss Well-Known Member

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    Wait, wut??? Are you seriously alleging that was only a Republican thing? That's the funniest thing I've heard all day, if not all week. Or month, or year even.

    Requiring ID to cast a ballot or proving that one is a citizen to register to vote in the first place is not "voter suppression", it's just outright common sense. It IS up to the individual States how to run their elections, but both of these should be required at the Federal level.
     
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    we said it was a fluke, not a fraud

    in 2020 we corrected that fluke
     
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  4. Spooky

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    Good job then.

    You want a cookie?
     
  5. ECA

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    No one said Trump won in 2016 by fraud.
     
  6. Spooky

    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wow, great point, thanks for clearing that up.
     
  7. ECA

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    Happy to help you out
     
  8. God & Country

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    If we did and could account for every vote Biden would lose, that is a demonstrable fact. The evidence that there was massive fraud that steered the election to Biden is considerable and many of the people involved are coming forward to avoid a long stretch in prison. This was a sloppy operation that the Dems thought they could get away with because Dems always do, they were wrong. The DOJ is now officially involved, this is going take a while but I think the media calling it for Biden speaks for itself, could they be any more complicit? We probably won't need a redo election once all of the fraud has been exposed. If you haven't heard about any of this the MSM is not going to tell you but it's all over conservative media.
     
  9. DentalFloss

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    It IS decided by the legislatures. It's just that all 50 of them have decided to use a vote of the people to do so. While that's what everyone is used to, and expects, but it's not in any way mandatory. They COULD decide to use the flip of a coin to determine Electors. That wouldn't be very popular, but it would be legal and Constitutional.
     
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    how many?

    5?
     
  11. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    19 hijackers are responsible for 9-11

    plus their funders and Osama bin Laden and Kahleed Sheik Muhhammed
     
  12. DentalFloss

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    Then perhaps they should read the Constitution they swore an oath to uphold and defend, because that is precisely how it's SUPPOSED to happen should there be a tie or an uncertified election of Electors. I also don't think it will happen, but if we're both wrong about that, and if it does cause a Civil War, it's solely because we don't properly teach what the Constitution actually says.
     
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    And a bunch of muslim imams funded by Saudi Arabia, who spread their message of telling them to do exactly what they did.

    This is much more of a wider spread institutional problem in the Muslim World than many are willing to recognize, rather just being the actions of a tiny handful of radicals.
     
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  14. Spooky

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    Google voter feud convictions and you will find page after page of them. We've had them since the third election I believe.
     
  15. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Federal law says you cant change how Electors are chosen, once the election has taken place.
     
  16. DentalFloss

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    I was speaking in general. Not changing the rules after the election is just common sense, and on the one hand I'm surprised a law is needed to make that just that, but I guess absent such a law anything is hypothetically possible.
     
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    Why are you sweating this so much? The law is the LAW. Let the legal process take place and stop stressing. Celebrate your victory! Jeez! stop thinking about Donald Trump for 5 minutes of your life
     
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    I know what the Constitution says, and I am very much for the Constitution. Don't underestimate me, please. I'm in need of no teaching of how the process is spelled out in the Constitution.

    I'm just saying, we've had four years of "firsts" and I wouldn't be surprised if this time our institutions crack down, and things happen here that before, we only saw in South American and African dictatorships (like a full-blown civil war and a military coup to restore the order - although, yes, that would be unconstitutional. Coups always are).

    I was very concerned with an interview the vice-chairman of the Trump campaign gave to satellite radio this afternoon. The Trump Campaign seems to be planning to do just that, and they are announcing it in all words: delay, appeal, create a cloud of doubt around the results, stir up their base to believe that it was stolen, get Republican legislatures to propose an alternative slate of unfaithful electors, have the Democrat governor refuse to certify, so that the election goes to the House, where they have more delegations (it's one vote per delegation), and Trump gets re-elected. This when they are questioning some small anomalies that happen in all elections and are not enough to flip the will of the people in that state.

    Sure, the process is anticipated in the Constitution... and it should be used when there is JUSTIFIED widespread fraud that would subvert the will of the people. In this case, there isn't, so, although constitutional, in my opinion, the process would result in Trump being the usurper. And frankly, after listening to him, I started to think that yes, there are excellent odds that this will be precisely what will happen, and in my opinion it will be an unprecedented disaster. This, however, something unprecedented, has never stopped Trump, so, at this point I'm very concerned.
     
  19. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    dems have gerrymandered, what, 2 districts in the United States? Repubs have gerrymandered just about the entire country.

    Voter ID was NEVER a thing until...........'

    Republicans realized their voter base was shrinking, and the best strategy to win was to put roadblocks in the paths of minorities, and since minorities have the larger disproportionate share of ID problems, what better way to limit the vote of probable democrats than installing voter IDs.

    Republicans have even admitted it.

     
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    There is considerable evidence that this is a logical solution. However, in this case, logic will have a tremendous clash with practicality. While maybe possible, redoing the election in a few states would be a tremendously messy and long row to hoe and a process the SCOTUS would be hard pressed to take Other options are also very tenuous. They might order a recount in some states carried out by an appointed independent group, though I'm not sure they have that authority (unless of course they emulate the PA supreme court).

    That is not why in the least. Why is because there hasn't in recent times been so much prima facie evidence of actual fraud.

    Unfortunate you weren't in the picture in 1960 when evidence of fraud was undeniable. That is the latest that I can recall.
     
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    Did you really just compare Trump to JFK. Omg. This made my day.
     
  22. garyd

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    Nonsense. Why did it matter in Virginia in 2019 when we had a do over election but now now?
     
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    With a fraud...
     
  24. FreshAir

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    nonsense, Trump lost, the right needs to get over it
     
  25. daisydotell

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    No, the left needs to get over it. We had to tolerate Russia gate and the phony impeachment now the left can take their turn.
     

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