Have the Democrats illegally stolen this election through fraud?

Option c the cheating increased the spread but it wasnt a game changer.

I don't want to say that he lost fair and square because then people will ignore the real fraud and issues that occurred. If we ignore it, confidence in the election process will continue to degrade. We need to face up to it and fix it for future elections. This will rebuild confidence.

 

I personally believe that the massive turnout of voters, especially on election day November 3 , forced the Democrats into a level of voter fraud that cannot be hidden......... I believe that indictments are coming.

https://stevepieczenik.com/

 

How does the media have any power to make Biden the "official President elect"? Do you swallow everything you here on fake news?

 

You haven't seen any Conservative tears and we have not lost. Of course you were referring to all the leftist wailing and knashing of teeth in 2016. Not the same.
They better leave all the boards up on downtown windows for when Trump is victorious. The left will be looting once again!

 

Will they be out in time for 2024?

 

Actually, you make a good point. Biden is proclaimed as the presumptive 'President-Elect', but he won't be the OFFICIAL 'President-Elect' that reality is confirmed by the result of votes in the Electoral College. I do stand corrected.

 

I think that omitted word "PRESUMPTIVE" is very important! It tends to have the same discounting effect as FAKE POLLS or FAKE NEWS!

 

the cheating is beyond obvious, to those that open their eyes.

 

Maybe. Anyway you look at it, there is not much faith in the system.

 

The attempt at "Coup" did not help in any way!

 

The Associated Press: Few legal wins so far as Trump team hunts for proof of fraud


PHILADELPHIA (AP) — During a Pennsylvania court hearing this week on one of the many election lawsuits brought by President Donald Trump, a judge asked a campaign lawyer whether he had found any signs of fraud from among the 592 ballots challenged.

The answer was no.

“Accusing people of fraud is a pretty big step,” said the lawyer, Jonathan Goldstein. “We’re all just trying to get an election done.”

Trump has not been so cautious, insisting without evidence that the election was stolen from him even when election officials nationwide from both parties say there has been no conspiracy.

 

How they did it is explained here:



We can win this for America. Rudy Giuliani with Sebastian Gorka on AMERICA First

How they did it

But it really was all those extra Trump votes on November 3 that put the Dems into a situation where they had to resort to drastic measures that cannot be hidden.




We found crimes. Rudy Giuliani on AMERICA First | Sebastian Gorka Radio

 

Looks like most people believe Biden won the election fair and square

 

Where are they?

 

Simply stated, that is just a Democrats opinion.

 

Sure, but it is an opinion rooted in objective fact. What's the basis of YOUR opinion?

If Trump's legal challenges prevail, I will accept that. If they fail, will YOU accept that there is no widespread game-changing fraud?

 

How can a disease lose an election?

 

That is just your opinion as well.

Trump has more than one path to victory. And he has not given up despite claims by Democrats.

 

Trump denounced mail-in ballots for months. Democrats supported their use. It should not be surprising that mail-in votes would heavily favor Democrats.

Still. I'm glad you're referring to a level of fraud that "cannot be hidden". If you're right, then Trump's litigation should start bearing fruit soon...right?

 

No. That was a QUESTION.

I am fine with him pursuing legal action. Can we both agree to accept the results of these legal cases?

 

At this point, all of Trump's potential paths to victory involve disenfranchising millions of American voters. Is that really what you want?
Trump literally has to find some way to force this into the Congress and have them declare a winner - which disenfranchises every voter
who voted in the election, or he has to get the vote in at least four states to be nullified, again, disenfranchising millions of voters.

The Court is going to be very reluctant to do that without overwhelming evidence of massive fraud - not just internet rumors, a few instances of localized fraud, and the word of right wing talk show hosts.

 

Democrats like to believe in their own fictions. Conceding a race is the defacto agreement between candidates that means continuance to the certified results isn't necessary. And how democrats have used that in the past to cover their behaviors... But sure, democrats delivered hundreds of thousands of single race votes in the presidential. how amazing is that? Not a vote for a down ticket race, just the presidential. I mean, talk about target marketing.

 

Who are these millions of voters being disenfranchised? Take it from the other side of the table. If voter fraud inflicted on the nation by democrats is found, wouldn't taking your path disenfranchise millions of american voters? I'd say it would. So, what you're really worried about is that Trump would use the constitutional path, dispute the election results, have transparent recounts, and wait for state certification of the results. All constitutional paths for the president. No? Explain how having this pushed into the SCOTUS, or ultimately the House is unconstitutional. Have you ever read the 12th amendment? It seems not. So, what your cure is would be to disenfranchise the potential legitimate winner of the election just cause you don't like the process ascribed in the constitution to resolve this? Or did it just occur to you that democrats don't own enough state legislatrues.... and, if it gets that far, the House of Reps will vote with one vote per state, and Biden will lose? Tough nuts.

 

In GA, for example, there are something like 98K one race only votes for Biden. Meaning that the voters didn't vote in ANY of the other races locally in GA> Statistically impossible to explain.