Armenia Declares Martial Law & TOTAL MOBILIZATION Against Azerbaijan

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  1. HurricaneDitka

    HurricaneDitka Well-Known Member

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    Thank you for that insightful explanation. As a follow-up question, what will become of the Armenians living in territory now conquered by the Azeris? Is there a common / widespread fear / expectation of genocide if they remain under Azeri control?
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    According to the video I'm posting by the Duran, the areas that the Azeris conquered were probably areas once populated by the Azeris and the refugees will be returning. The job of protecting the Armenians has now fallen to the Russians. The main part of Nogorno Karabach will remain as an Armenian enclave that might be able to gain recognition from the UN - but who knows?

    The Duran considers Russia the winner in the short term since there are Russian troops all over the Caucasus - even in Azerbiajan, that is with the exception of Georgia. The Duran believes that Russia will lose in the long term, and that the Armenians will feel they have been betrayed, and both nations will resent Russia's heavy handedness.

    I don't agree with the Duran on this. Russia's main and only concern towards the Caucasus is to keep the terrorists from entering Chechnya and Dagestan. They don't want a repeat of the 90's and the wars fought in Chechnya. Two weeks ago there was a battle between the Russians, (probably Kadyrov's men) and the terrorists in Dagestan which the Kremlin is positive were Syrian jihadists coming from Azerbiajan.

    The following video by the Duran has a very in depth view of what's going on, although I don't agree with them. I think Putin had no choice other than to save Nagorno Karabach from an Azeri takeover, and to keep Turkey and the terrorists out.


     
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    yeah I see what you mean, he also harps on about Russia planning the conflict for their own benefit, that argument may have carried some water if Erdogan weren't involved.
    He also contradicts himself, first he says he doesn't see what Russia gained then says Russia is the only party who gained.
    Either way as far as I'm concerned there are real concerns about Turkey trying to create chaos in the Caucuses and stability of the region takes priority over all else
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In my former post I said:

    "...Right now in Armenia there are massive protests against the PM Nicole Pasinian for the defeat. Before the war, Pasinian began leaning towards the West. This happened in Ukraine before the coup when Yanukovich began leaning towards the EU, and also with Georgia under Sashkavili who also leaned towards the West. Was the CIA or the NGO's enticing those leaders in some way?

    None of those nations gained by turning westwards, but rather they all lost - which makes me wonder if that was the original intent?"

    I think Armenia was being set up, and falsely befriended by the West so Azerbiajan and Turkey would have a free rein with Nagorno Karabach. According to Southfront, a pro Western coup took place in Armenia in 2018, and Pashinyan a Soros funded democrat activist was released from prison and became Prime Minister. His main objective was to distance Armenia from Russia.

    The only thing Pashinyan did for Armenia, was spread anti Russian hysteria so that for 2 years Armenia's main policy was to distance themselves from Russia. Now Pashinyan is blaming other officials and other countries for not recognizing Artsakh (Nagorno Karabach) as an independent country.

    He's also blaming the military for not doing enough while the Armenians are blaming Russia for not stepping in and fighting their war for them. In the meantime 2 years ago they were waving banners with “Russia go home and never return”.
     
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    People think... what is the problem with siding with the west, but the problem is the west is divided and what you think you are aligning with is not actually the west but the corrupt new world order. They use & corrupt these smaller east block countries to destabilise the region and get Russia...the last outpost to capitulate to the new world order.
     
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    Give it about a day and a half after Biden gets inserted (not elected) and the mid east blows up. No one fears Biden, except little girls.
     
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    I noticed that whenever Biden paid Poroshenko a visit, he would bring him some money as a gift - but not to help the people who were suffering, but to buy arms. The next day the fighting would restart.

    If the Middle East blows up, it will be because Biden encouraged it, and not otherwise.
     
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    Does the world need another refugee crisis:
     
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    Little girls fear Trump especially, and with good reason.
     
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    You mean like this?


     
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    Back to the topic. The protests against the PM are still going on in Yerevan. According to one writer, Russia had negotiated a better deal but the Western leaning PM Nikol Pashinyan had to check with NATO thinking he would get some help. Yeah right! From what I gathered, Armenia has to give up some land that was not taken over by the Azerbiajan troops.

    When Yanukovich in Ukraine thought he was smart and began looking towards the EU, they screwed him big time and made a mess out of Ukraine. The standard of living now in Ukraine is the same as Somalia's. When Georgia turned to the West they ended up in a war and lost S. Ossetia forever. More recently Lukashenko began leaning towards the West, and we see what's going on now in Belarus.

    But they're not the only idiots, Greece and Cyprus are as well - and they're going to lose land to Turkey because the EU and US doesn't give a damn. All Nato cares about is how to control Russia, and that means appeasing Turkey. What was done to Nagorno Karabach is waking them up to reality. A little too late I think.
     
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    Probably not the best thing to do in the cause of peace:
     
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    Not quite sure what his interest is:
     
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    Actually... I think Putin's got this

     
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    you've got to wonder if Erdogan & Putin concocted this for more Russian influence in the area... the Armenians look mighty unhappy with the outcome

    I mean isn't it weird that Russia would ship a nuclear reactor to Turkey at the same time Turkey is basically starting a civil war in the Caucuses

    ??? just saying
     
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    Putin keeps bowing to Erdogan and it's infuriating the Russian government. But what else can he do? Erdogan's opposition is even worse than Erdogan and has been goading him to be even more aggressive. If Erdogan is overthrown, Turkey will be more of a threat than it is now. As for the Missile defense systems, buying them has created a rift between the US and Turkey, which to Russia is beneficial.

    Russia has fought 16 wars with Turkey and won each one, so I'm sure Putin knows how to manage those systems in case Erdogan or anyone else decides to turn them on Greece, Cyprus, Syria, Armenia or even Russia itself.

    The Armenian president went to Russia last week and spoke with the Armenians there, and they want the Western leaning PM Pashinyan to leave - which he should. All Pashinyan did for Armenia, was spread anti Russian hysteria to please his Western masters, so that 2 years ago they were holding signs saying Russia out. Now they're mad at Russia for not fighting the war for them.

    Armenia was ill prepared for the war, and Turkey knew it. Pashinyan was as much an idiot as Yanukovich and fell for the lies coming from the West. Israel had sent Azerbiajan its latest drones, so the drones weren't coming only from Turkey.

    The latest news is that 4,000 Turkoman jihadists and terrorists which Erdogan had sent into Syria are now being settled into homes that the Armenians evacuated. This means they will be threatening the Armenians, the Russian peace keepers and even Russia. During the war, a battle with terrorists was being fought in Dagestan, and Putin said they could only have come through Azerbiajan.


     
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    Hopefully he will not get in, but Kemala Harris seems to favor and is appointing Turkophiles in our government, so we can expect the worse in the Middle East and Mediterranean.

    Here's something of interest, 900 Turkoman mercenaries and terrorists who were fighting in Azerbiazan have not been settled there, and are going back to Syria.
     
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    Unbelievable. Biden has not been in office for the last 4 yrs., and before that he was only Vice-President. Yet if, as Trump walks out the door, a war starts, it's BIDEN'S FAULT! Not the doing of the person who's been in charge the last 4 years, & who's now pulling out troops in such an unorchestrated, & chaotically unwise fashion that he's had to can a half-dozen military leaders of high-repute (besides those who've resigned) because they so object to the schit-show Trump is running? Your, "conclusion," only makes sense because I know you're an indiscriminant, unqualified supporter of President Trump (& of Vladimir Putin-- some coincidence).
     
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    I can't get English captions on the video.
     
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    In the description, if you click show more it has a transcript...you'll have to go onto Youtube
     

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