Biden's victory keeps growing

My relationship with God is just fine, thank you.

 

whats the point of impeachment if the President keeps his job?

petty retribution?

LOLOL!!!

 

I do not yet support a federal mask mandate. I also do not support a federal covid liability protection law. The folks that write and enforce emergency pandemic orders (governors), should be the folks who recommend the scope of the liability protection for businesses based on how well businesses are trying to comply with those state efforts. Give those states both the carrots and the sticks to encourage business compliance.

It is ludicrous for states stand hopeless as businesses flout their emergency orders, while Congress hands those same businesses immunity from civil lawsuits. Let Texas, New York and Illinois deal with both.

 

It is the new standard now.

You folks did it so will we.

 

These are reasonable proposals, but the difference under Biden will be coordination from the federal government rather than leaving the states to fend for themselves. Just getting everybody on the same page is a huge improvement, and no small task, but it should be pursued, not ignored.

 

There's gotta be a reason, though, for the articles of impeachment. What would that reason be, regarding Biden who hasn't even started his term, yet?

 

I think a strong public educational campaign would be a lot more likely to achieve results of increasing compliance with masks, especially if done in a bipartisan way (featuring for example both Trump and Biden), rather than any mandate. Of course, this is utterly impossible especially in this climate. Even if we did not have a contentious election result, "bipartisan" and "cooperation" are now foul words in American politics so it is not going to happen. But if it were possible by miracle, it might work, because one catches more flies with honey than with vinegar. It's just basic human psychology and cultural traits. Americans don't like to be ordered by the government to do something. They can be persuaded to do something voluntarily, but if ordered to do it, they will grow defiant and will disobey. We are NOT Japan. Over there, the government asked the citizens to wear masks when Covid-19 hit. 98% of the population complied. And see, the government there merely asked nicely. There was no mandate. Huge response, 98% did it. Over here, if we were to issue such order, I'd be surprised if 20% complied.

 

Indeed. Alcohol consumption went up during prohibition, and back down on repeal. I think masks are a bit different, though. Had Trump not politicized mask wearing, we may have complied out of common sense. Had he promoted mask wearing, he probably would be looking at a second term right now. Trump isn't known for making wise long term decisions.

 

Very true, Trump could have cruised to re-election if he had tried to be the President when facing Covid-19 (as in, seriously leading the population in a united fight against it) rather than to be the presidential candidate (as in, approaching the virus as an obstacle to reelection that had to be discounted and minimized, with masks being mocked). If Trump had attempted to contain this virus seriously, even if he failed (most governments abroad did fail), we'd have given him a pass for trying.

 

We can't do it for 2 years until we take the house. Say anything, abuse of power if you like, the reason doesn't matter.

 

I remember Trump's first covid briefing. He did quite well, IMO. At that moment, and through the second day, I expected Trump to approach the virus in a serious manner, and coast to victory. By the end of the first week, Trump had turned the briefings into campaign events, complete with amateurish videos convicting the MSM of being biased and causing hysteria among the general public. The infamous briefings took on several lives of their own, to include the future textbook staple of injecting disinfectant and shining UV light inside the body. Truly detached-from-reality performances. I will never understand this man. His behavior is self-destructive, like that of an addict.

 

Yes, like I said in another thread quoting Axelrod, Donald Trump wasn't defeated by Joe Biden. He was defeated by Donald Trump.

Actually Trump did a number of things right. Deregulation enhanced the economy. The military got stronger. Illegal immigration got more controlled. Our biggest geopolitical enemy, China, got confronted. He didn't launch us into any war and brought troops home. He achieved some peace treaties in the Middle East. The Warp Speed initiative was pretty good.

So, if only he had done all the above AND governed as the president of all Americans! From day one he excluded anybody who wasn't one of his adoring fans. He whined non-stop, with his childish tweeter storms (which invariably accused and belittled someone). Not a day went by that he wasn't scornful and odious. He spent 4 years belittling and insulting all sorts of people... even Gold Star families! Well, that didn't fly because his base was never the majority, never reached at or above 50%. He got elected the first time running against an even more unpopular candidate, so, obviously, that unpopular one being out of the picture, he needed to convince more people that he was a good president... but he made no effort to do that, whatsoever, much the opposite. He made a point of alienating everybody else. Well, the voters, then, punished him, despite some good results he had.

Earning the hearts and minds of people is Politics 101. He failed that.

Remember Mitt Romney and the 47%? Hillary and the basket of deplorables? Americans don't like to be insulted by their presidential candidates. In all three cases (Trump being the third one), Americans made the politicians who issued contemptuous comments against the opposition, pay by not electing them.

Sure, the Dems would have demonized Trump no matter what. But if he had the EXACT same administration, with the ONE difference of being inclusive, sympathetic, and considerate regarding the other parts of the population who weren't in love with him, he'd have survived any demonization and would have cruised to re-election, Covid-19 or not.

How many times did Trump look presidential in 4 years? A handful if that many. At one point 75 million Americans got sick and tired of his antics... People specifically wanted him out, as evidenced by Biden outperforming Democrat candidates for the Senate and the House. Many voted for Republicans down ballot, and for Biden at the top.

He would have lost by even bigger margins if not for the Defund the Police/BLM movement, and Biden's boneheaded move of saying he'd do away with the fossil fuel industry (bye bye, flipping effort in Texas; welcome, small margin in Pennsylvania).

And Trump is not the only self-defeating one. Cunningham in North Carolina was solidly ahead of Tillis in polls... then decided to have an extramarital affair with the wife of wounded veteran... Well, this didn't fly well in military-friendly North Carolina... What an idiot! Lost a senate seat because he couldn't keep his pants zipped! This is becoming a North Carolina tradition; happened to Edwards too...

I was thinking, "if you guys want to win the White House and take the Senate, hold on and start your BLM movement on November 4th... and keep your zizis neatly tucked inside your pants!" But Dems are known for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory... So Biden almost lost, too; his advantage narrowed significantly in the end. But he was lucky enough to run against a self-destructive guy.

Biden was criticized for staying in his basement. That was Biden's smartest campaign move. By staying out of the way, he allowed the election to be a referendum on Trump rather than a choice between Biden and Trump... and as far as a referendum goes, the person who insults everybody else tends to get low marks.

 

I don't disagree with the short list of Trump accomplishments, but we'd expect these out of any president. To me, needing to mention the few minor achievements of the Trump administration is a testament to its failure.

I agree completely about the Democrats. However, despite the party's general lackluster performance, Biden ran a flawless campaign. It is probably the greatest political comeback in history. A thing of beauty, actually.

 

It can be certainly seen this way, too.

Yes, minus his statement about fossil fuels days before the election. Sure, he can think that, but he shouldn't have said it. May have cost him the Senate.

 

How has he failed with the mask mandate? Also I welcome the $15 an hour wage. It's long overdue.

 

The governors told him no.

 

Because he isn't in the position to have a say so.

 

He didn't know that lol.