Does Trump know that he lost the election?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by CenterField, Nov 11, 2020.

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Does Trump know that he lost the election?

  1. Yes. He won't concede, to raise money, undermine Biden, prepare a 2024 comeback, or something else

  2. No. He is quasi-delusional at this point and does genuinely believe that he won

  3. It could be a bit of both - has his own agenda with this, but at times kind of believes that he won

  4. I don't know. It is hard to know what he is thinking right now.

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  1. Vernan89188

    Vernan89188 Well-Known Member

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    You get lost quite easily dont you..Lemme know when you catch-up.

    Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.
     
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    Vernan89188 Well-Known Member

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    Who said anything about being a lawyer? Assuming one thing means another again? Maybe a degree is extreme though, maybe not considering the times. But its a "good start" for lack of experience.
     
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    Thedimon Well-Known Member

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    His personality sucks. Everyone agrees.
     
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    a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism
    Opinion

    characterized by dictatorial power,
    Green New Deal? Demoralizing political opposition? Refusal to work with political opposition, like Pelosi?

    forcible suppression of opposition
    Cancel culture, BLM, Antifa, open censorship...

    and strong regimentation of society
    White guilt, cancel culture. Try to object to white guilt belief on Facebook and Twitter and watch yourself getting fired from your job for simply voicing your opinion.

    and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.
    Yep, Benito Mussolini was well known for public works. He supported unions, implemented minimum wage, built highways, invested into infrastructure, injected party into business decisions (which party do former Facebook executives work in?), etc, etc. You know, things a Democrat would be proud of. ;)
     
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    Thedimon Well-Known Member

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    You did:

     
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    I agree. The word 'loser' is haunting him.
     
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    Canceled
     
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    Wow!!! This is a heroic statement!
     
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    Right now, Trump is so busy trying to keep his job that he isn't doing his job.

    Do we really want a guy who goes into his office and pouts while America is going through the worst spike in Covid during this
    pandemic?

    Hell, between Trump's abandonment of his post, election uncertainty and infighting, I just did something I've never done before - I pulled a chunk of money out of the US stock market and invested in overseas markets for the time being ... sad that's it's reached this point.
     
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    Nobody needs the media: we all learned enough about Trump through his own declarations and (in)actions!

    What is mind boggling is to realize that so many Trumpists still believe what he says! Indeed a good number of them (maybe even the majority) seem to be in good faith.
    To me, the sole explanation lies in the sheer composition of his electorate which, I hate to say that, is obviously much more gullible than the average American.
     
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    I choose #2 because I believe he actually does have Narcissistic Personality Disorder, of the malignant variety, so in my opinion this is not a game, or a ploy or a strategy. It's simply a narcissist in full-on defense of his reality - in which he is infallible and literally superior to everyone else. And that's why no one's going to convince him to accept the loss - it would be an attack on his reality, and therefore him. And of course, everyone knows what happens when that happens. So, everyone in his orbit has no choice but to look after their own interests by championing his reality.

    As a narcissist, Trump has an excuse for saying consequences be damned as he wields his self-serving wrecking ball. Those in his orbit don't. Colluding in the destruction of confidence in the US electoral system - world renowned - for personal benefit is beyond shameful.

    They need to get a conscience and get on the phone to Mary Trump, for a narcissist-friendly persuasion tactic.
     
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    When asked to say black lives matter, Trump couldn't do it. He said white lives matter. That's pretty conclusive evidence which makes mass media irrelevant, as well as his sham of an initiative.
     
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    Im sorry, but Black Lives Matter is a racist slogan.
    All lives matter. I refuse to say “black lives matter” because that statement leaves out other races. Please, post a link to credible source where Trump said white lives matter and the context wasn’t to imply that lives of all races do.
    If you can’t produce that link - congrats, you are a victim of propaganda in our mainstream media.
     
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    It was an interview. I watched him say it. I don't remember which; he did a couple interviews toward the end. Not propaganda. Trump's mouth.

    Black Lives Matter "leaves out other races" only in your mind. You choose to interpret it that way, which is a contortion of it's real meaning. That's your choice. Kinda ironic you telling me I'm a victim of propaganda. You choose propaganda over truth. I guess projection is to be expected.

    Believe what you want. Myself, I couldn't tolerate being on the wrong side of issues, each...and every...issue. Where's Hunter?
     
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    So, I know you lefties have ZERO respect for the law, BUT, Biden's is not CERTIFIED winner yet. Trump will recognize it when/if HE IS. stop crying already
     
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    I watched multiple times Trump say something among the lines of “black lives matter, Latino lives matter, whites lives matter - all lives matter”.
    If you can’t find a link where Trump said “white lives matter” and left it like that then you are a victim of a news agency pushing propaganda on you by cutting away portions of Trump’s statements.
    We’ve seen mass media do that almost on daily basis for the last 4 years!

    I chose to interpret it by using standard language rules. If a statement “lives matter” specifies that “black” “lives matter”, then the statement implies that those are the only ones that matter.
    By the way, how did another vogue slogan, “defund the police”, go for the democrats this election cycle?
    Words matter. ;)

    Well, you are.

    Wrong side on what issue? Claiming that a white cop that murdered a black suspect, whom he personally knew, was an act of racial killing? How can someone kill another being they personally know for their race? Wouldn’t that person kill the victim within a very short period of time after the two got to know each other? Or how about Atlanta fiasco, where a tased cop killed a black criminal who shot at him? Show me a country where you can shoot at a cop with a gun or a taser and live to tell the story.

    I don’t know. Why don’t you call him?
     
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    Sore losers!!

    At least that's what the RW pundits screamed in 2016.
     
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    Huh? Democrats were the one saying the 2016 election was illegitimate. how quickly you forget, hmmmmm! another instance of lefties being like DO AS I SAY NOT AS I DO?

    sad
     
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    I picked 3 but really anything is possible.
     
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    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Contemporaneous to this post, I was talking in other posts about several things I believe Trump did right. But I know the man. He doesn't give a f... for anybody else, except Ivanka, of course.
     
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    You are a worthy debate opponent. Holding up the Trump case for 3 pgs, essentially on your own, against the pretty sharp counter-arguers here, is noteworthy. Unfortunately, I'm not available, or in the mood, for an extended campaign now, nor would I be inclined to bring my passion to this particular debate. I only wish to fill you in regarding your incomplete understanding of the issue, admitted in this next of your quotes, about Trump's recent firings & restaffing decisions:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/defense-department-election-transition/2020/11/10/5a173e60-2371-11eb-8599-406466ad1b8e_story.html?outputType=amp

    There have been already 3 or 4, very high-level replacements made at the Pentagon. Seasoned people are being swept out to be replaced by far less-qualified-- retired military leaders, including those who've served in top-level government Security & Defense posts have called some of these replacements UNqualified for their positions-- Trump loyalists.

    For example, Secretary of Defense Mark Esper was Twitter-fired & replaced with Christopher Miller. The Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence, Joseph Kernan was also, "ousted," according to the linked WAPO article. Kernan is a retired 3-star Admiral & Navy SEAL officer; his successor, Ezra Cohe-Watnick, is 34 years old.

    Further, Undersec'y (of Defense) for Policy, James Anderson tendered his resignation. The timing leaves little doubt that this was a resignation of conscience. Anderson is a former Marine Intelligence officer who had served in the Trump Administration since 2018. The man who will now be running the Policy Division is Anthony Tatal, the same person who's nomination, "crumbled," this past summer, amid light being shone upon his, "tweets promoting conspiracy theories," and his having called fmr. President Obama a, "terrorist."

    A former aide of Mr. Tatal's, & of Rep. Devin Nunes (also known for conspiratorial thinking), Kash Patel, has also assumed an important Defense post. More purges are expected to be shortly forthcoming.

    From the article:

    The decisions swept decades of experience out of the Pentagon as the Trump administration seeks to eject people from government whom it does not view as sufficiently loyal to the president. The Defense Department, with its mandate to remain loyal to the U.S. Constitution and keep uniformed personnel at a distance from partisan politics, could see more departures in coming days.

    An administration official said late Tuesday that Trump remains determined to withdraw troops around the world before leaving office.

    “He sees the Pentagon as the leader of the resistance to his agenda,” said the official, who like several others interviewed for this report spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.

    Another administration official said the moves were requested by the White House and constituted a PENTAGON TAKEOVER by Trump’s National Security Council staff. They coincide with ongoing debates about the pace of troop withdrawals from several countries, including Afghanistan and Somalia.

    The changes come after months of tension between not only the president and Esper, but also national security adviser Robert C. O’Brien and Esper, two administration officials said.

    POTUS never appreciated that the military wasn’t political, and still doesn’t,” one senior White House official said. “Most of the fights Esper had with him were about the politicization of the military.”
     
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    Thank you.
    As for you implying that Trump is preparing to commit a military coup - considering the fact that so many former members of his cabinet got away with trashing his image, and the fact that he never attempted to take control over mass media, a key component in such a conspiracy, I do not believe this is a plausible possibility.
     
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    You must read too quickly-- I implied no such thing. The reproduced part of the article, in fact, quotes sources who say this is Trump's way of getting rid of the knowledgeable professionals who have been standing in the way of precipitous troop withdrawals, desired by Trump, which they deem reckless.

    I only wanted to fill in the gaps in your apprehension of the current state of affairs which, when others in the thread brought up the shake-ups in these vital Defense Dept positions, you replied that you were, "only aware of one..." So now you know that is not the case. Will that make any difference, or will you, surprisingly [\IRONIC vocalization] find this Trump move completely benign, as well?
     
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    Where is the option for, he hasn't lost the election? The electors haven't made their decision yet.
     
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    Did you ever get a chance to get familiar with arithmetics?
     

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