Conservatives. What SHOULD health care in America look like?

Exactly. People should pay for their own bad habits.

 

BINGO!

Healthcare in America has become nothing but another victim of partisan politics, and those who buy the hype anti-ACA or any Universal healthcare have no clue how badly they are being screwed.

 

Only because of the record levels of illness caused by consuming our government subsidized diet. Politicians would not be discussing "health care" otherwise. ACA generated record profits for the pharm industry, but Americans are fatter and sicker than ever. Those who believe health comes from the government are screwed.

Don't forget about honor.

 

Complete fantasy. How is this market value decided and why do they have to charge the market value.

 

So did you support Michelle Obama's initiative for kids' diet and exercise programs? 'Cause I sure as hell remember her getting flak from the right over that.

In fact, why is it that Red States have the highest obesity rate? Sure seems to me conservative values don't include a healthy diet.

 

Absolutely. I not only supported it, I raised 5 kids on organic, healthy foods and never allowed soda, processed foods in my home. I also raised them to have honor and admit when they misunderstood and correct their mistakes rather than running from them. You still have an unresolved false accusation you can correct if integrity is important to you.

 

Lol, food is not not delivered by the free market. Do you have any sort of clue where and how that food is created? Farming subsidies is the tip of the iceberg. It's a complicated system and definitely isn't a free market, and it wouldn't work with a free market. We all pay into it, through taxes.

And your analogy just doesn't work. Food and medicine are vastly different entities. Oversimplification seems to be a common argument against public funding.

 

You can find your answer in my avatar.

 

I don't consider myself a conservative, though I do agree with him on some fiscal policies.

I believe that health Care should be primarily private insurance, with regulations in place to protect the interests of patients and consumers.
Those who can't afford private insurance should be covered by a universal safety net which covers medical dental vision and other health expenses. This safety net should also cover gaps in private coverage. This should be paid for by expanded FICA taxes, which would also help fund social security.

 

40% of Americas workers BEFORE COVID struck made $15 an hour and LESS, THEY CANNOT EVER AFFORD PROPER MEDICAL CARE ON THOSE WAGES, and still live???????

 

It costs 50k because of government

 

What is a “govt subsidized diet”? I genuinely don’t know what you mean by that.

 

I got your 'free market' right here

 

Not everyone values credibility.

 

The majority of illness is caused by consuming government subsidized food.

 

Simple answer for that problem, import millions of 3rd world immigrants to compete for those $15 jobs. Supply and demand are just hypotheses, they don't exist in reality.

 

I eat the same foods: meat, cheese, corn, etc....why aren't I fat? People are fat because they over-eat and don't exercise. They take in more calories than they burn. It's science.

 

Democrats gave us a taste of Elections in Caracas. I don't want to find out what they have in store for healthcare.

I picture healthcare as anything else in the US. We should be able to buy all the healthcare and the kind of healthcare we want and subsidize non-discretionary healthcare for the poor. Aside from the, the government should stay out of my healthcare decisions.

 

Im glad to hear you maintain a healthy weight. Through taxation, you are buying these products for others and they are not following your program. When symptoms show, now you have to buy them pharm products to mask symptoms.

There is also a science to getting people to consume these products and generate maximum profits. These unhealthy foods are addictive.

If someone wants to eat themselves to death, this is the US and they should be allowed. My issue is being forced to pay for it.

 

I haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about. I like steak...I buy steak. I like corn....I buy corn. I like cheese...I buy cheese. I don't have the ability to raise cows and butcher them. I don't have the ability to make all the different cheeses I like. I grow corn but once summer is over I need to buy it. I'm not going to not buy these products because others are too lazy and undisciplined to be healthy. I also don't buy into the claim that food is addictive. Being "addicted" to food is just an excuse fat people use. If these food are addictive then how am I not addicted?

 

Health care is available to the poor and folks with no insurance, you'll just have to stand in line to get it. I know, I went 7 years with no health insurance. I went to the County Health Center for regular stuff and the County Hospital if I needed anything else. Did I have to wait in line...yep. Did it suck...yep. But, I wasn't in a position for full time employment and company sponsored health care. Am I now...yep. I work hard for a Cadillac Health Plan at the age of 61 with disabilities. If I can still work after being run over by a 28,000 lb Armored Truck on the highway at 55 mph, for those that simply can't there is SSI Disability/Medicare. For those that won't, go wait in line at the County, you'll get care.

https://findahealthcenter.hrsa.gov/

 

Im surprised you didn't know that your taxes are used to produce corn, milk, and steak. Steak is mainly a corn product. On top of paying to produce it, you pay to buy it for the less fortunate. 10% of food stamps/EBT/SNAP benefits are used to buy sweetened beverages.

There is science behind food addition if you ever care to look it up.

I don't eat steak, but for those who enjoy it, try an organic, grass fed steak and let me know what you think.

 

It wasn't that I didn't know about the taxes, it's that it doesn't matter in that I will buy those foods, in addition to lots of other foods, because I need to eat. I have tried grass fed steak. No discernible difference in taste to me.
I have looked up the info on "food addiction"....no one is getting withdrawals if they stop eating steak. No one is going to get physically ill because they stopped eating steak. The "addiction" basically boils down to "mmmm that ice cream was yummy, I want more". I like delicious food as much as the next person but the difference is I have discipline. I have one cookie instead of five. I have a small cup of ice cream instead of the entire pint. And in addition I exercise five days a week and have been doing so since I was 15 yrs old.

 

I get it. You take care of yourself. Do you object to being forced to buy unhealthy foods for those that don't?

 

I assume you’re talking about food stamps? Given the plethora of things in my life to be concerned about, food stamps just isn’t on that list. It’s not a perfect world, nor do I expect it to be. I mean, in a perfect world would it be good to force poor people to only buy healthy food with their food stamps? Sure. But they’ll still buy unhealthy food with their own money. It’s not like people on food stamps only buy unhealthy food. They buy fruits and veggies just like any other person. So whether the unhealthy food is physically purchased with a food stamp or their own money, they are still getting it. So is there really a point of going through the charade of pretending we forced them to buy healthy food?