If Trump does not concede

Golem.....you keep promoting the idea that Biden and Kamala are presidents elect, when your world is going to be turned upside down and you get violent, there will be no kid gloves this time!

 

I can tell you one thing the last four years have taught us: whenever a Trump loyalist makes a prediction, you can be sure that they are wrong!

You guys have been wrong about absolutely everything. You were wrong about jailing Hillary, wrong about the de-masking scandal, wrong about the coronavirus... and on and on.... What makes you think I would take this "prediction" seriously?

So stop talking nonsense and QUOTE what you claimed is on the 12th A.

 

Who called you a name?

 

You were wrong about removal from office and spent millions in the attempted coup. We were right in banning China from travel which you called xenophobia, AND you were wrong in the polls. You are wrong on this one too!

 

Thats where you guys are getting your garbage from! Newsmax?? What happened to Brietbart?
I gotta see the BS they are telling you people, LOL. I bet that cost you money doesent it? Please link more of their propaganda..you guys seem to eat it up.
GDANM you guys are so easy.

 

Everybody knows by now Trump can't win. But I remember Hillary's advice to Biden to never concede. Trump shouldn't have to concede either until all the fake votes are counted.

 

If Trump does not concede................

He could be charged with sedition.

https://codes.findlaw.com/us/title-18-crimes-and-criminal-procedure/18-usc-sect-2384.html

 

The only claim in your post there is any credible evidence for is that 6000 votes changed....briefly. User error, quickly detected and fixed. If there is ANY evidence that this is more widespread then the manual recount will sort it out. If there is ANY evidence it has happened elsewhere Trump needs to bring it to court. Thus far that hasn't worked so well, with claims falling apart once people actually have to attest to them under oath in court.

I'm betting that in a week or two, when the recounts and court cases don't change the result, you will be reaching for other fictional claims. Lets see shall we.

 

Funny thing is, mediabiasfactcheck and similar sites, list many "far right" bias but you hardly ever see them list the LW kook sites, like Salon and Vox

 

Huh? What the hell are you talking about? What "removal from office" was I wrong about?

Ok. Hold it right there. Quote or retract!

I have said nothing of the sort. So a retraction is the only thing that is in order.

 

Michigan: 148,382 (99% reporting)

 

I attribute all of those things to the side you defend. You know, you do that all the time!

 

to be honest, does Biden really care, not like Trump can show him anything about running the country a previous President can't

by not conceding and giving him the access he needs, he can just blame any issues he has early on..... on Trump not giving him access

 

I don't defend any side. I defend facts. I am not as partisan as you are. If Democrats are wrong, I will say it. And if they're right, they're right....

Now admit you made up the statements you falsely attributed to me. Statements that are fake anyway, no matter who you attribute them to .

 

yep, just like any other site, we are censored by the TOS as well, that's normal for any site, it's not a plot to silence republicans or democrats

though I did get my hand slapped for using the word "TDS" once, yet see many using it now, so rules change with time it seems

 

Tap...Tap...Tap. Hello, McFly! Anyone home?!

You just made my point for me. There needs to be a hand recount. Something that is already happening in Georgia. A glitch is only as good as the people using the program. If the poll workers conviently ignore the glitch, or do not catch it, then it is not reported. Yet, there is enough cases where the glitch been reported that calls into question the reliability of the program. Remember, this is not the first time this has happened, and in a highly contested election like this one, every vote should be fairly counted.

In 2000, Al Gore's challenge of the Florida votes did not fair too well either. In the current elections, you are only seeing the early round of court challenges. Next they will go to the state appeal courts, the state Supreme Courts, the federal appeal courts, and finally to the SCOTUS. In 2000, it took 37 days for the process to playout. We are currently only going into day 9. Further, the State of Georgia will have two runoffs for their Senate seats on January 5. The President will not be sworn in until January 20, 2021. That means that we have plenty of time for this to play out as it should.

If Biden did win the election, so be it!! I just want to see that it process plays out fairly. There were far too many screwups in this election counting process for it not to be questioned. Too many things were done that should have never been allowed to happen. But they did happen, and we have to ensure that every vote that was legally cast is counted for the candidate that it was intended. How in the world, could that be a bad thing?

 

Count away. I really don't care. However, don't go pretending there is actual evidence that these are necessary - there isn't. Recounts aren't going to shift enough votes anywhere to change the result and they are going to show that the flurry of claims at the moment are overwhelmingly without foundation.

Most of those court cases won't get past the first stage because the evidence won't be strong enough. It is only a matter of days since a GOP lawyer trying to stop the count in Pa. based on a claim of no observers in the room had to admit in court there was a 'nonzero' number of GOP observers - in other words he knew the case was a lie from the start. Don't think that one will make it to SCOTUS. Same for another case where the 'evidence' was a bunch of hearsay. Just watch over the next few weeks as just about all of those cases fall at the first hurdle - evidence.

 

Rest assured there is a con behind this madness

The transition protocols, embarrassment, and tarnishing our reputation on the world stage aside. On January 20 Trump will be escorted out of the WH no matter what he wants.

Anyone with a few bucks to spare should be sending/delivering diapers to the WH promptly

 

I'm not too worried whether Trump does or doesn't. The states will certify their votes, the electors will meet and vote on 14 Dec, the results will be sent to the president of senate by the 21 Dec, 6 Jan the U.S. congress meets in Joint session to count the votes, on 20 Jan at noon, Trump's term as president ends.

Whether or not Trump concedes, has no effect on the above. I didn't listen to what the dude had to say, but I think the constitution is enough.

 

Several things that I find humorous about you Biden supporters. Everyone of you have a crystal ball on your lap, and everyone of you will convolute issues to make a point. Yes, there was a claim that there were no GOP observers were allowed in Pennsylvania. Yes, it was cleared up in court, but then you ignore what did actually happen in Pennsylvania. Observers in both parties were only allowed to stand more then 20' away from the poll workers. Too far to observe anything. A local liberal Judge claimed that as long as they were in the building the state's requirements had been met. A conservative Judge set that verdict aside, and ordered the tabulation centers to allow the observers to move to within 6' of the counting. The state claimed that they would appeal to the Pennsylvania Supreme Court, but that never happened.

But that is not what we were talking about. The subject of our conversations was the program used by most of the battle ground states that had a glitch in it. That is why the SCOTUS will hear the cases, and why they, in my opinion, order a recount of every state that used the program. BTW, less then a week ago, the Georgia Sec of State sent monitor and investigators to the Fulton County tabulation center at the State Farm Arena. It would seem that the State's monitor and the GOP observers had found enough errors to trigger an investigation. Now, the entire state is doing a complete recount. Things could very well change for that state's results.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...nty-discovers-issue-with-reporting-of-ballots

 

Clearly Trump has a history of being a cry baby calling elections “rigged” if he doesn’t like the results.

2012: "This election was a travesty and a sham!"
2016 primaries: "Ted Cruz didn't win Iowa, he stole it. That is why all of the polls were so wrong and why he got far more votes than anticipated. Bad!"
2016 general election: "The election is absolutely being rigged by the dishonest and distorted media pushing Crooked Hillary - but also at many polling places - SAD!"
Post 2016 election: "In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally!"
2020: "The only way we're going to lose this election is if the election is rigged"

 

Sadly I find nothing humorous about people who support a President who is trashing a US election because he is too big a baby to accept that he lost. People who think the plural of 'anecdote' is 'data' throwing a giant tanty because they didn't get what they wanted. There is NO evidence of any fraud or anomalies capable of flipping enough states for Trump to win.

Six more court cases got tossed in the past few days because the evidence is so thin and the GOP pulled another for the same reason. It is anecdote piled on anecdote, and none of them have overturned a single vote. The moment the anecdotes get held up to the light they dissolve. The recount in Wisconsin has actually moved a few hundred votes....to Biden. The recount in Georgia (which is happening because the margin is close) won't move more than a few hundred votes to anyone. By this time next week more court cases will have collapsed and the recounts will have changed nothing...and Trumpers will stil lbe insisting that the election was 'stolen'.

If this were a responsible President with responsible supporters rather than a man-baby leading what increasingly looks like a cult he would have conceded and America would be getting on with the transition process. Instead the world is being treated to the spectacle of a group Americans tearing apart their own election for no other reason than that they lost. You have chosen to support that action. Utterly shameful.

 

You need to take time to study how our legal system works. Local Judges are consistently throwing out cases with legal merit knowing full well that they will be appealed. The Trump Administration will appeal these challenges all the way to the SCOTUS. Just as Al Gore did in 2000. That is a fact.

You should also do a little research on Georgia Election Laws, and what makes them different from other battleground states. You also need to look at several historical factors about Fulton County Georgia Elections.

First, Georgia Election Laws do not have an automatic trigger for recounts. One side, or the other, can request a recount if the margin of victory is less the 0.5%. In the case of the 2020 Presidential elections, the Margin of victory for Biden was 0.3%, but again the recount is not automatic. The Georgia Sec of State, Brad Raffensperger, requested the recount. That request was issued on the same day that he sent investigators from his office to the Fulton County Tabulation Center, and they had started rescanning the votes. It is not hard to extrapolate that the situation in Fulton County was a factor in his request. When you consider that Biden won the county by more the 240,000 votes, it would only take less then a 6% error rate in that one county to put the state in a Trump win column. State wide, if there is only a .003 error rate, then the state goes to Biden. The historical factor that I mentioned about Fulton County is that they have a long history for voter fraud. So, don't count your chickens until they have all been counted!!!

Now, let me, yet again, explain my motivation in all this. I do not have a vested interest in who wins this election. I am not like you liberal in this country. I will not claim that Biden is not my President. I will give him the same respect that the office deserves. Just as I did with Obama. Your fellow Liberals referred to President Trump as "the Other Guy", "the Liar in Chief", "the Orange man", just to name a few. Very disrespectful. You yourself have taken part in this stupidity. Well, I will not stoop to your level. My motivation is simple. That is to see that the election is held fairly as required by the US Constitution. If the courts proclaim that the elections were held fairly, then that is the end of it for me. But until then, I will support President Trump's right to legally challenge the elections.

 

In true childish fashion....Trump’s “concession speech”...

"He won because the Election was Rigged. NO VOTE WATCHERS OR allowed, vote tabulated by a Radical Left privately owned company, Dominion, with a bad reputation & bum equipment that couldn't even qualify for Texas (which I won by a lot!), the Fake & Silent Media, & more!"

 

The election was fair. Everyone has said this including Trump's own DHS. It's done. Over. Searching for something that isn't there is a fools game