Who won 2020 American election?

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  1. Spooky

    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The electors were given the freedom to vote however they wanted. Only recently did that change with the courts. In fact every election has had electors voting the other side if I remember correctly. Even a couple of Hillarys didn't vote for her.
     
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    it was never expected that the other party would try to plant their own people in the other parties electors, that is cheating, should be a felony for all involved

    yes, they voted for other dems, Trump had two do that too, not for the other party

    Trump really only got 304 electors

    it's not gonna happen this election, but I could see republican try to do it in 2024
     
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  3. James California

    James California Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ~ Yes I believe 2016 had 3 "faithless" Electors. Most never notice.
    Funny how the Biden group think Trump is dishonest , but all the late midnight ballots and suspicious voting are Democrat . :bucktooth:
     
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  4. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    A case similar to this happened in the Senate vote in Florida:
    Three candidates for Florida Senate district races were “shill candidates” whose presence was intended to siphon votes from those running for the Democratic Party, a report claims.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...epublican-shill-candidate-miami-b1721956.html

    In District 37, "Alex Rodriguez" and "Celso Alfonso" in District 39 were investigated:

    Local 10 began to investigate Alexis Rodriguez’s candidacy in October when an executive producer could not locate a headshot of the candidate for election broadcast purposes.

    He would not return calls and had falsified his address on filing forms in June, giving his residence as a home that he had not lived in for five years.


    Both had until recently been registered as Republicans. Both paid a qualifying free to be candidates on 12 June. Both listed Gmail addresses in the same format — first initial, last name, district number, and 2020. And both list just one contribution to their campaign — a $2,000 self-loan.

    So any fraud investigation should start here where evidence does exist
     
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  5. zalekbloom

    zalekbloom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's interesting that some people cannot distinguish between legal democratic process based on the evidence and the attack on democracy.

    What was bogus in the impeachment? President Trump admitted that he stopped the military aid to Ukraine and demanded from the Ukraine president to investigate the son of his political opponent.

    The collusion hoax was based on real information:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Counsel_investigation_(2017–2019)
    The special counsel took over an existing counterintelligence investigation by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) into what proved to be Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections and numerous secretive links between Trump associates and Russian officials.
    Australian officials informed American officials that in May 2016, a Trump presidential campaign adviser, George Papadopoulos, told the Australian High Commissioner to Britain, Alexander Downer, that Russian officials were in possession of politically damaging information relating to Hillary Clinton.
    Since the FBI, in response to this information, opened an investigation into the links between Trump associates and Russian officials on July 31, 2016, the meeting between Papadopoulos and Downer is considered to be the 'spark' that led to the Mueller investigation. In February 2018, the Nunes memo, written by staff for U.S. Representative Devin Nunes, stated that the information on Papadopoulos "triggered the opening of" the original FBI investigation, rather than the Trump-Russia dossier of Christopher Steele as asserted by, among others, Trump, Nunes, Fox News hosts Steve Doocy, Ed Henry, Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity, and Fox News contributor Andrew McCarthy.

    The Steele dossier, also known as the Trump–Russia dossier, is a political opposition research report written from June to December 2016 containing allegations of misconduct, conspiracy, and co-operation between Donald Trump's presidential campaign and the government of Russia during the 2016 election. The Guardian has described the controversial opposition research as "one of the most explosive documents in modern political history". The dossier, leaked without permission, is an unfinished 35-page compilation of raw intelligence based on information from witting and unwitting anonymous sources known to the author, counterintelligence specialist.

    Now what evidence we have there was a massive election fraud? We have the same evidence as the evidence that President Trump lost 2016 popular vote because of millions of illegal votes, the same evidence that Mexico will pay for the wall, the same evidence that the coronavirus is the Democrats hoax which miraculously will disappear in April, the same evidence that injections with disinfectants will cure Covin-19.
     
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    zalekbloom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I believe 2016 had 7 "faithless" Electors. It is funny how you didn't notice additional 4 "faithless" Electors.
    "As a result of the seven successfully cast faithless votes, the Democratic Party nominee, Hillary Clinton, lost five of her pledged electors while the Republican Party nominee and then president-elect, Donald Trump, lost two."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_electors_in_the_2016_United_States_presidential_election

    I'll bet you still believe that the Biden group is dishonest and the Trump group is honest. Did I win my bet?
     
  7. James California

    James California Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Seems Biden won...

    In true childish fashion....Trump’s “concession speech”...

    "He won because the Election was Rigged. NO VOTE WATCHERS OR allowed, vote tabulated by a Radical Left privately owned company, Dominion, with a bad reputation & bum equipment that couldn't even qualify for Texas (which I won by a lot!), the Fake & Silent Media, & more!"
     
  9. LoneStarGal

    LoneStarGal Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's only the handful of Twitter trolls who are trending that currently. The usual troublemakers.

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    Huh? What I posted is a tweet from Trump
     
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    Way to go! Prove the OP correct. Good job.
     
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    And another one bites the dust!
     
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    3 for 3. The OP has been officially confirmed.
     
  14. LoneStarGal

    LoneStarGal Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, I know it was. It is trending on Twitter right now to falsely insinuate that Trump conceded.

    That trend is a lie by omission. He did not concede.
     
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    It is difference between standing up to China's economic cheating or going back to accepting it. Seems pretty clear to me.
     
  16. ECA

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    He sure did concede...in true childish fashion. He won’t openly admit he conceded, but we all know the reality
     
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  17. LoneStarGal

    LoneStarGal Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    He openly said he did not concede. I posted that Tweet.

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    Easy answer for the OP, Biden.

    The strangest thing about this cycle is our government infrastructure (Fed, State, local) aced the test. It was our safest cycle.

    You’d think the administration would be running around waving that “A”, that accomplishment, around for everyone to see.

    Granted, the Obama administration put the infrastructure in place BUT the execution occurred under the Trump administration in an extremely difficult environment.

    Kudos are in order. Albeit, word is, our cyber security chief is about to be fired for releasing the data.
     
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    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Depends on how one looks at it, their own perspective. This election was certainly an anti-Trump election. Biden beat him by some 5 million votes, give or take. But it wasn't a good election for the Democrats down ballot as so far it is only at the presidential level that the Democrats did good. Republicans did pretty good on all the down ballot elections. Considering Biden won by 5 million votes, one could say the GOP did excellent down ballot. The Republicans will gain at least 8 house seats with 10 still to be determined, 2 state legislatures with only one up in the air giving the GOP control of 29 vs. 18 for the Democrats. The GOP also won 8 of 11 governorship's , a pick up of one giving the Republicans 28 governors to 22 for the Democrats. The senate, with 23 seats up for reelection vs only 12 for the Democrats, the Dems have a net gain of one so far with two left to be decided. Retaining Republican control of the senate is a real possibility. Something that should have never happened.

    I suppose one or at least I look at this election as two different elections. One for the presidents, the anti Trump election which the Democrats won, but the Democrats lost the confidence of the people in all the down ballot offices. Why? At least 4.7 million ticket splitters who voted for Biden, then voted Republican down ballot. This election was the anti-Trump election. It was all about Trump, not so much about Biden or the Democrats running for the other offices. It wasn't a mandate for the Democrats or an endorsement of the Democratic party's policies and agenda. It was 100% put ant Trump, pro republican down ballot.

    An interesting stat, 2020 was the first election since 1884 where a party's candidate won the popular vote on his way to the presidency and lost house seats. Simply put, Biden had no coat tails, none, nadda, zero. Another interesting aspect, of those who voted for Trump, 90% said they were voting for Trump, 8% said their vote was against Biden. Of those who voted for Biden, 56% say they were voting for Biden, 29% said their vote was against Trump with 15% stating they're not sure. What this means is 5.9 million votes Trump received was against him and not necessarily for Biden. Biden just happened to be the other name on the ballot. Also, 22.8 million of the votes Biden received were against Trump and not necessarily for Biden.

    That said, they all count the same regardless of the reason why.
     
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    Hence why I said he won’t openly admit it. He knows he lost. He’s too much of a petulant child to admit it.
     
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    None of this is true. Cheers.
     
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    It's just a money grab. Convince people to donate to a supposed legal fee fund, and divert it to the GOP and a Superpac.
     
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    " What we are dealing with here is a total lack of respect for the FACTS ... "
     
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    trump was the weak with Putin. Kissed Putin's butt in front of the world while dissing American Intelligence Agencies. trump is now trying to over throw America's votes.
    trump is a great danger to America.

    For a sitting U.S. president to say publicly that he believes a foreign leader over his own intelligence team is shocking and admonishable. At a time when our democracy faces grave threats, it is deeply troubling that the president would side with the very country who attacked us.
    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/put...helsinki-this-is-no-way-to-win-against-russia

    trump is NOT just an embarrassment to America, he's an outright danger.
     
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    Faithless Electors should be made illegal. A crime punishable by $5,000 and loss of elector rights.
     

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