Has Political Correctness kickstarted a new Orwellianism?

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  1. James7

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    There is absolutely no doubt that political correctness can have a completely valid side to it when properly applied, but if taken to extremes it can lead to what can only be described as a new Orwellianism.

    Political correctness can and has been used as a tool for defaming political opponents. It can also be used as an excuse for censoring social media and the freedom of speech. The powers that be it seems had seen the vast potential social media had to democratically challenge their long cherished political hegemony. Hypocritically on the one hand they praised the Arab Spring when it happened in someone else's country, but then they secretly feared the same could happen in their own.

    You only have to consider why the politicians and media pundits had been suddenly so obliging when it came to political correctness, as if giving in to the vast wave of public opinion on social media? It all seemed to good to true be true. And it was. They then used this new political correctness as an excuse for censoring the very same social media they so feared. Anyone speaking out and expressing their opinion could now be accused of hate speech, racism, fake news or spreading conspiracy theories. And they are looking for any excuse. It only takes one small detail in quite a lengthy post, just one clumsy ambiguity and your whole post will be completely censored.

    But this isn't just a bad dream, this is actually happening.
     
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    Trump supporters only criticize political correctness when it's not directed at Trump or Trump supporters. They demand some "right" to spew conspiracy theories, like falsely and with no evidence whatsoever accuse Democrats of "cheating", but God forbid anybody so much as "hints" any parallel between Trump's support for white supremacists and the Nazis, or points out the similarity between some of their attitudes towards their leader and those of a "cult"

    But the policy of some Social Networks to tag or eliminate posts is not due to "political correctness". In many cases it's to stop the dissemination of false information that can cost lives. In others it's to thwart attempts to undermine our democratic system using fake information, the origin of which is often foreign adversaries.
     
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    You have some kind of study which proves all that?
     
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    You get conspiracy theories and fake news in the Houses of Parliament and in the mainstream media all the time. The Conservative Party in the past had always maintained that it was the UK Labour Party who caused the global recession in the 1970's that caused huge inflation, strikes and power cuts. In fact it was OPEC. The Arab Spring was another fake news item. In no way did it result in liberal democracy but general jihadism in every case.

    Accusations of the lack of political correctness are always aimed at your political opponents in an effort to make them look bad.Their apparent lack of political correctness is made to look almost completely unforgivable. It's a McCarthyite ploy and has nothing to do with the general social good.
     
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    the right believe it's PC to only worship Trump, anything but is an attack on Trump - they call anything critical of bad things Trump does as fake news
     
  6. Josh77

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    Kinda like the left's right to spew conspiracy theories about Trump and Russia. Both sides should be able to say whatever they want, and both sides should be able to post whatever information they want, false or true. Everyone just needs to be aware that anything they read or hear could be and probably is complete BS. Freedom of speech and expression is more important than "saving lives", which it isn't doing anyway. That's just s stupid excuse to not post one side's propaganda. Of course privately owned businesses are free to shut down whoever they want. Everyone just needs to know that it is due to bias, not "saving lives".
     
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    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Haha, both sides spew complete BS on a regular basis. It's definitely not just the right, not even to greater degree. It's ridiculous how much BS propaganda has been thrown around on both sides in the last 4 years.
     
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    I have never seen it to the level the Trumpyists are trying to pull off in these last 4 years - this is Orwellian stuff
     
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    If you want to spew a conspiracy theory about how the government is hiding an Alien in Area 51, go for it. I couldn't care less. But if your conspiracy theory is that Covid is a hoax created by the media to..... boost the face mask industry... or something, you are putting lives at risk.

    I think we are having a language barrier as to the meaning of "political correctness". In the U.S. it simply means to not insult people unnecessarily for something they have no control over, like their sex, sexual preference, ethnic origin, ... or for their religious beliefs or cultural norms.... or things of that kind.

    Political correctness is not a political issue. It's Trump and his core supporters who suddenly decided to try to make it that. But only when it's convenient for them. Which makes them look ridiculous.
     
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    I'll be darned. I didn't know that.
     
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    Never heard of any. So no idea what you're talking about
     
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    When you have people being perma-banned from social media sites for asserting that women have vaginas, the tie-in to Trump becomes very tenuous.

    TERF is trans exclusionary radical feminism (I think it is 2nd wave feminism). These are feminists who are against allowing cross-dressing men in rape facilities, women's prisons, women's sports and women's showers. They are being banned at an accelerating rate across many social media sites. These are FAR LEFTIST women being banned by the INSANELY LEFIST weirdos running social media sites.

    The pressure is increasing drastically to ban anybody who denies that white privilege is exists or that every white person is racist at birth. People who deny either of these assertions is now labeled a white supremacist by the moral busybodies who presume to be the moral arbiters of America. It is a crime that these scum have this much power over all of us.

    https://www.advocate.com/news/2020/...wn-hate-speech-deleting-terf-pro-trump-forums
     
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    So the 2 year Mueller investigation meant nothing at all? When they said there was no collusion they simply lied? What a silly way to assuage your partisanship.
     
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    Political Correctness is one of those gems cooked up by the Marxist nutjobs in academia. It's all mumbo jumbo wrapped up in Alinsky presentation. Most politically correct terms are either oxymorons or total mischaracterizations. For example, undocumented sounds like an oversight or something that can be remedied. Okay that's pretty obvious but these wahoos have their own dictionary and thesaurus and a lot of this bullshit has bled over into the American psyche and many times mistaken for legitimate arguments to prop up social deviance and political agendas. Much of the PC crowd are functionally retarded but love to hear themselves talk. The much more sinister intent of PC is to create the Orwellian policies, many of which are commonplace. The terrible irony of political correctness is that it has created a mass of these retards that call themselves "woke". Woke as in a coma to reality. When tyranny becomes law rebellion becomes duty. The woke rebellion that is now fighting perceived tyranny will eventually wake up in their Orwellian "paradise". I'm old enough that I will miss that **** show but I fear for my children and grand-children's future.
     
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    The Mueller Report didn't say there was no collusion. That was Barr! And yes. Barr did lie to you. As was proven by... well... waddaya know... the Mueller Report. And later confirmed by the Republican Senate Intelligence Report.

    Don't tell me that, after all this time, you still believed that Barr told the truth.... That's amazing! Because the rest of the world knew that Barr lied about what was in the Mueller Report the minute the Mueller Report was released.

    Well now you know too.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...struction-and-surprise-surprise.554415/page-2
     
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    It is a product of it, along with the takeover of media, but I wouldn't say it was the cause.
     
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    mare you kidding? Have you not watched the left the last 4 years??? They were making up stories constantly to try and throw trump out, even when there was no shred of evidence. Both sides have become ridiculous.
     
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    Haha, I guess you lived under a rock, lol. It’s been constant
     
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    nope, Trump actually did those things, sad but true

    dems tried to work with Trump, but his ego was too fragile to ever make a deal where both side could come away winners, Trump thought only he could be the winner, not the way it works in a divided congress - dems even offered Trump money for his wall to get what they wanted with DACA (which Trump also lied and said he wanted)
     
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    you get in trouble on some sites for saying a President is acting like a cult leader too - just depends on the site I guess
     
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    you mean the Republican Mueller that was assigned by republicans because Trump fired the Republican Comey - repubs had full control of Congress back then

    Trump made a mistake firing Comey, Comey helped Trump win, concealed the Trump investigation, while blabbing about the Clinton investigation before the election
     
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    The very same.

    That's actually hilarious.
     
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    I spent a little time reading and discovered that there are two truths here. One says no collusion and one says no willingness to prove the collusion. I guess I can take my choice. You lose.
     
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    Take the set of all combinations of all alpha-numeric characters: A-Z and 0-9. You can say anything in that set to me and I won't give a ****.
     
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    I instead, spent a lot of time reading (read my sig). Mostly the Mueller Report and the Senate Intelligence Committee Report. And there is only ONE truth: Yes! There was collusion.

    There was collusion in the form of multiple contacts, in the form of attempts to negotiate, in the form of a cover up, and in the form of criminal obstruction of justice, including perjury.

    Of course, you can ignore reality and jump up and down screaming "I won!" all you want. But that's not going to change the facts.

    Anyway... that has nothing to do with Political Correctness, which is the topic of this thread.
     
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