In dramatic reversal, Wayne County election board Republicans rescind votes certifying results

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  1. Andrew Jackson

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    Trump's totally misguided attempt to meet with MI GOP Legislators is beyond absurd.

    Obviously, they should avoid the meeting altogether.
    The "appearance of impropriety" is beyond unconscionable.

    In any event, IF they chose to attend this meeting (which I would advise them against) any action taken in Trump's favor would be career suicide.

    The danger for Shirkey and Chatfield, then, is that they are being visibly invited to a meeting where the likely agenda involves the felony of attempting to bribe a public official.

    Under Michigan law, any member of the Legislature who “corruptly” accepts a promise of some beneficial act in return for exercising his authority in a certain way is “forever disqualified to hold any public office” and “shall be guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment in the state prison not more than 10 years"


    https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/11/19/michigan-legislators-trump-meeting-438538
     
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    I don’t believe you.

    Because this is an example of righties harassing and killing a supporter of the left and then having it condoned by Dirty Donnie the Superspreader Swamp thing.
     
  3. Andrew Jackson

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    Very Tragic that 4-year Trump's Trainwreck has been so destructive (on so many levels) to the American People.
     
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    It's incredible if you look at their actual data. They had a 170,000 vote dump in the middle of the night that went 97% to Biden. What's worse is that these 170,000 votes came from areas with ZERO voter registration. They have made it so there is NO WAY to check and verify these votes.



    Don't mind the messenger. Check out the data he shares and the actual message. ALL Americans regardless of party should be terrified that our Democratic Republic is just a charade now.

    Trump won Michigan.
     
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    The real irony, if we take Monica Palmer's words at face-value (& I have no reason to doubt them), is that this hugely-disruptive kerfuffle has all come to pass because she (with the other Republican Canvasser who voted w/ her) is extremely punctilious. Election after election, certain precincts, many of which are in Detroit, have come back with SLIGHT, unexplained discrepancies: very often, literally single-digit variances, or low double-digit, at most, none of which would affect the overall result.

    Yet, these imperfect matches (which are actually common occurrences, & could be due to any number of causes, from human error, to a voting-machine jam causing the duplication of a vote, etc.) really bothered Ms. Palmer-- and I don't blame her for that! Each election, including one this summer, she has certified the results, but passed her complaints, about the minor disparities, up the state chain, without them ever initiating an investigation to try & determine, in each precinct, what was accounting for the problem.

    From WAPO (see post #12):
    Palmer, a schools activist in the Detroit area, said in an interview Wednesday that she had spent months pressing Detroit and Wayne County election authorities to fix problems where precincts are chronically out of balance. They had not.

    Now, Palmer said, she would not accept the same excuses.

    ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++

    Here, too-- while the ideal is, certainly, to have a count that is perfectly-accurate, down to the single vote-- it is understandable to me, with their budgetary constraints, the state not wanting to spend money on an extensive studying of something that has been, & it probably sees as remaining, a negligible factor. It should be taken into consideration, in assessing the state's non-action, that HAND-COUNTS of ballots have shown to be LESS accurate than machine counts. And so the state might be disinclined to spend a mint on new machines, to solve what it sees as a trivial, "problem." In short, Ms. Palmer's goal of a PERFECT rectification, in the vote tallies, may be something of an impossible dream.

    The Detroit Free Press (post #96):
    The discrepancies found in Wayne County were minor and elections experts say they are common across the country and the result of human error. They do not indicate that individuals voted multiple times or that ballots were counted more than once.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.freep.com/amp/3776190001

    Nonetheless, I have no qualms with the pursuit of perfection. The unfortunate thing, however, was that she chose THIS, contentious election, when the votes in question would CHANGE the state's PRESIDENTIAL result, to be the time to make her stand. Her undoing, in my view, is the same element which caused my own erring, on p.1 of this thread: bad timing.


    WAPO (post #12):
    She said she was solely focused on what he said were Wayne County’s chronic problems with unbalanced precinct totals.

    She says she knew that Biden had won Michigan and did not intend to block or overturn his victory. But she had one lever to pull, to force local election authorities to solve the problem: She could vote “nay...”

    That would take another few days. Maybe the state would work harder to solve Wayne County’s problems. And local authorities would take her warnings seriously next time.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...b-92b7-6ef17b3fe3b4_story.html?outputType=amp

     
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    Where does that night rider wannabe get that alleged data from?
     
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    Okay, I watched it all. What crap. Absolute garbage. Does one have to be a registered voter to cast a ballot, including absentee? I noticed that the raving wanker did not say say what the % vote for Trump was in the purported white areas of Detroit. That is very odd to me. Do people in Michigan vote according to the colour of their skin? I found that quite offensive.

    Finally...this thing about dumped ballots? Where is the evidence for that?
     
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    :roflol:

    WRONG!

    Trump DIDN'T "Win Michigan".

    ^And, Everybody KNOWS That

    What is next? Did Bigfoot and Bat Boy rig it?:bored:

    CANDIDATE
    VOTES
    PCT.

    Joe Biden
    DEM
    2,806,899
    50.6%


    Donald Trump*
    GOP
    2,651,270
    47.8%

    99% of expected vote in

    ____________

    Trump LOST! Period.
     
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    Trumpees will believe ANYTHING!!! LOL!
     
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    Lol...Oooh, tasty koolaid.
     
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    You do know the Supreme Court has already turned him away over Pennsylvania don't you? What makes you think they'll weigh in on any other reserved for the state issues?
     
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    What is terrifying is how Dirty Donnie the Superspreader Swamp thing is trying to destroy our republic because he LOST the election. He is doing NOTHING about the pandemic that he let loose in this country due to his INCOMPETENCE. Now, he's trying to make a "deal" with Michigan Republicans to aid in his criminal attempt to subvert US election results.

    Dirty Donnie is a LOSER and his sycophants are participating in the largest assault on our republic since the Civil War. Nothing bad enough can happen to him and his supporters.
     
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    Actually they were specified and part of it has been released on video to the public.

    I'm curious. Did you believe the accusations of the females that came forward accusing Kavanaugh and Trump of rape ~30 years after the fact? These are over 100 people in Detroit alone, not counting other states where similar went on, that stepped forward right away. Some of them also have introduced photographic evidence to the court.
     
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    That percentage rate is what is especially alarming. Those are the types of percentages that despots like Chavez (oh, he used Dominion software!) and Kim Jong-il have won by.
     
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    Trump’s conservative goons must have shown up at the houses the day before “reminding” them to do an accurate count.
     
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    I'm curious as to how following legal avenues of disagreement in court is "trying to destroy our republic." I'm also curious as to how the Democrats crying stolen election in both 2000 and 2016 wasn't "trying to destroy our republic." In the case of the Dems, dirty feds used, in part, a politically funded dossier written by a former foreign intelligence agent which was introduced in a FISA court to a federal judge, misrepresented, and used in part to obtain an illegal, unconstitutional wire tap on a member of an opponent's political campaign.

    It seems to me your outrage is too little and way too late.

    And seriously - if you can expect people to sit and listen to "Trump is Putin's puppet/election was rigged" conspiracy theory bleating for four years, you can handle a few weeks of this. Gird up.
     
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    All this tells me is that you're woefully misinformed on points of contention and probably shouldn't be commenting.
     
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    I'm going to enjoy every minute up until January 21, 2021. Watching Dirty Donnie the Superspreader Swamp Thing twist and writhe in agony in public view of his supporters will go a long way to destroying all the harm he has done over the past 4 years.

    Democrats did not cry about the 2016 election being stolen because they simply lost. 2000 was a tough loss and the process played out. For better or worse, the SCOTUS made a decision, so nothing was stolen.

    If you have EVIDENCE about "dirty feds", it's too bad you didn't get it into the hands of the various AG's in DD's administation. I'm sure they would have given you a pat on the head and thanked you. Since you didn't , that must mean you accept how the process played out and through your inaction are sanctioning it.
     
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    Yup, the goons definitely got to them.
     
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    You certainly haven't established you know a remote idea of what you're speaking. It's obvious you don't know and political mudslinging only goes so far.
     
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    Stop spreading fake news.
     
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    NY Times real-time election data.

    Several battleground states had overnight ballot dumps overwhelmingly Democrat the night of 11/3 to 11/4. They, apparently coupled with "data errors" wiped out Trump's sizable leads literally overnight in more than one battleground, which is one point of contention.

    Also, if there was record Democrat turnout, why did Democrats lose seats in the election?
     
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    Obviously you're just one of those most satisfied with posting one-liner personal attacks and talking points.
     
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    Hillary Clinton: Trump is an ‘illegitimate president’

    Four Years Later, Bitter Hillary Clinton Claims 2016 Election Was ‘Stolen’ From Her

    The 2016 election was stolen. Got a nicer way to say that?

    Democratic Party files suit alleging Russia, the Trump campaign, and WikiLeaks conspired to disrupt the 2016 election


    Quite a flourish for saying you have no idea what I was referring to. I assume you had been keeping track of the Carter Page proceedings.

    FBI director admits: Yes, surveillance of Carter Page was illegal

    Carter Page FISA warrant lacked probable cause, DOJ admits in declassified assessment

    FISA court slams FBI conduct in Carter Page surveillance warrant applications

    "The FBI's handling of the Carter Page applications, as portrayed in the [Office of the inspector general] report, was antithetical to the heightened duty of candor described above. The frequency with which representations made by FBI personnel turned out to be unsupported or contradicted by information in their possession, and with which they withheld information detrimental to their case, calls into question whether information contained in other FBI applications is reliable," federal Judge Rosemary Collyer wrote in an order from the court published Tuesday.
     
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    That you're trying to get political mileage off a photograph tells me you don't.
     

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