Why so much opposition to transparency?

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  1. doombug

    doombug Well-Known Member

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    There were no doubt shenanigans in this election. Republicans were illegally kept from observing the vote count......why?

    Counting the votes stopped in some places where Trump was ahead then when it resumed Trump was behind. Why?

    Trump lawyers claim to have proof of crooked voting machine shenanigans. Some folks do not want it looked into. Why?

    There are many places where there were more votes than voters. Some folks think this is just fine....why?

    Here is the reason: Some folks want their guy to win by hook or by crook.

    What happened to concern over fair and honest elections? Remember the hand wringing over a few Facebook ads place by Russian trolls?
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Because Orange Man Bad. The left will willingly and quickly give up their freedoms for OMB fear.
     
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    mamooth Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Fewer than in other relections, so the honest people know you're throwing a sore-loser tantrum. It's important to set the precedent that lies like yours can't be used as an excuse to overthrow democracy.

    They weren't. You made that up.

    They weren't. You made that up. I'm noticing a pattern here.

    They don't. They made that up.

    There aren't. You made that up.

    And one of those folks is plainly you, since you're here pushing fraud as part of an attempted fascist coup.
     
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    If so then allow the process to play out. Allow full audits and investigations into the election. Why oppose it?
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why do you fear transparency in our elections?
     
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    To quote from Frank: "fear is the mind killer".... And now we understand the left..
     
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    doombug Well-Known Member

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    Because they know their guy "won" because of massive voter fraud.
     
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    mamooth Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You're lying about that.

    That's the stock answer to all of your "Why ... " questions. You're just lying outright, out of sore-loser butthurt and a fanatical desire to push a fascist coup.
     
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    mamooth Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We did allow it. We are allowing it. Why are you lying about that?
     
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    No one is stopping anyone from looking into the allegations. There are people that disagree with these allegations which is their right. The onus to prove an allegation is on the people who make the allegation; they have not done that as of this time. The President has the FBI the Justice Department and others to investigate and present facts proving the allegations. He has not done that. The courts have dismissed almost every one the lawsuits for not having a basis in fact so have most fact check sites. The President's own homeland security person who watches elections has stated that this was an honest election; the President fired him. The President has played fast and loose with the truth in the past; why is his own word to be trusted while serving his own interest?. The lawyers working in the president's interest have stated that they have proof yet can not release that proof where is their transparency? The President and Vice President refuse to answer questions about this or anything else for that matter; where is their transparency.

    So go ahead and continue to look for support for your opinions, but you need to hurry because your time is running out.
     
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    I don’t know. We’ve been hearing these claims for weeks. They’ve had opportunity after opportunity to present evidence in court: nothing, zip, zero.

    We’ve had press conferences filled with allegations and yet no evidence to support them only promises the evidence will be revealed some day.

    We’ve had recounts.

    The reality is we have transparency. There’s a transparent attempt to sow doubt about our election system and disenfranchise specific voters. A ham handed coup attempt is afoot.

    It’s obvious who the bad actors are.
     
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    "Massive" voter fraud only supported by internet rumors.
    Ga. had a manual recount - and is headed up by Republicans - yet you call the recount a "fraud".
    Nevada was overly cautious in its vote count - yet you call it a fraud.
    Arizona has conducted audits of their vote, and Biden remains the winner.

    Trump's own Homeland Security has called the vote secure.
    The courts (some with Trump appointees) have found a lack of evidence to call fraud.

    I'm all for recounts, but they don't matter if you will never believe they were perfect and reject their findings. Nothing that
    can now happen will satisfy you other than reversing the totals and declaring Trump the winner - which is exactly how Maduro remained President
    in Venezuela ... imagine that.
     
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