You voted for Biden ... now be honest

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Why did you vote for Biden

Poll closed Nov 15, 2020.
  1. Biden got my vote due to his character that I shall explain

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  2. Biden got my vote because the Media persuaded me Trump is bad

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  1. Heartburn

    Heartburn Well-Known Member

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    The House was going to impeach Trump from day one. They might have got him bigly too if Trump hadn't hidden all the evidence on his private server and then wiped it clean with lemon pledge.
     
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    And, believe it or not, I, too, deplore real racism, where a person's race is used to treat him badly, unfairly, or unequally!

    Race, per se, is a reality. Nobody would seriously argue that there aren't three distinct races within humanity (and some hold that there are actually five... including Australian Aborigines and American Indians). But -- and here's the key distinction -- no matter which one of the races each of us was born into, in the United States ALL citizens are EQUAL BEFORE THE LAW -- guaranteed by the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965!

    Each of us has equal 'standing' as American citizens before the law, without prejudice because OF race.

    Why is it so hard for us all to simply be COLOR-BLIND, as Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. encouraged Americans to do, over and over? Thus, I do agree, RACISM SHOULD BE ABOLISHED! And the fastest and best way to accomplish that is to be color-blind and stop attributing every action taken to stop criminals, anarchists, rioters, and looters, TO RACISM!

    Afterthought: does anybody seriously believe that police go roaring out into the streets to make people's live miserable just for the hell of it? No -- they are summoned, often in very dangerous situations, to ARREST people who have committed crimes or are in the act of committing crimes. Are we going to be a society of 'law and order' or not...? Are the police supposed to just walk away and do NOTHING when people commit crimes?
     
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    Le Chef Banned at members request Donor

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    Doctors ask you to indicate your race for good reason. Some ethnic groups (is that a bad word too?) are more or less susceptible to certain infirmities and disease -- great cancer and sickle cell anemia than others. Refusing to acknowledge this is politically correct insanity.
     
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    How? By setting yourself up as the arbiter of what is racist? That only works for you and people who think like you. Those who don't think like you are simply alienated by judgmentlism, a bigger problem in my opinion than racism. But the only people who agree with me are people who agree with me.
     
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    You care so much about what trumps doing but you dont care about any actual voter fraud. Your bias is showing.
     
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    https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/democrats-dox-to-silence-new-proof-of-michigan-fraud

    https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/show-notes-new-michigan-voter-data-i-stumbled-across

    There are numerous links to fraud and irregularities in both of those links. Way more than "1"
     
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    I'd guess ~80% minimum of votes in the country are for Trump. In fact I might go as far as to say 90% of votes.

    And that 90% is half voting for trump, and half voting against Trump.

    Biden seems ok. We'll see if he's good or not - I think there's potential. But most people weren't voting because "wow! I want him as president, he's the best!" as much as "no to Trump". That's why he won the primaries.
    Hilary Clinton was a lot more controversial. A lot of people didn't like her. 4 years ago - it wasn't the same ~80-90% voting based on Trump. A lot of people were voting based on Hilary. Some loved her (and loved the idea of a woman president) and voted for her. And many hated her, and so voted against her.

    I don't think there's anything wrong with this to be honest, it's just what it is. If you created a poll with better written poll options - I'd guess you'd see what I say is true, at least ~80% of voters voted mostly based on Trump (either for, or against), than based on Biden.
     
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    Perhaps. But so is yours. :)
     
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    Your sources are from the extremist Right wing. Those sources are strongly biased & often lie. I don't deny there are isolated examples of voting fraud, but they are limited in number & never reach proportions capable of changing the outcome. Your arguments against our voting system do nothing more than erode public confidence in our system. That weakens American democracy overall. Trump is now trying to buy off Electors to subvert the voter's will. Trump care nothing about our democracy. Trump is an autocratic aberration in the Presidency. He's not worth supporting. He should have been forced out of office during the impeachment, so we wouldn't be going thru the pain he's inflicting on us all now.
     
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    In 4 years can you name one time he got any support from the left side of the board?
     
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    We liberals tried supporting him early in the Covid awakening. But when he shifted the responsibility off to the individual states, we knew he was a lost hope. Other than that, Trump made it abundantly clear from his inauguration, that he regarded himself President of his core, but not anyone else. He never swayed from that position during his entire term of office. He still hasn't. Anyone who loves America & knows anything of its history knows America succeeded as a nation because she developed the ability to find compromise among her many contrasting points of view. Trump is the climax of a long term gradual loss of that ability to compromise that has been going on since about 1994. The polarization of our nation is so extreme, I often wonder if it will ever be fixed. I sincerely hope it can be fixed. America is a great nation. Americans are a great people when they care about each other. They are even greater when they care about others outside America too. Greatness doesn't come from withdrawing from the outside world & tending to only ones own needs. Greatness for America comes from diversity, not division. Trump is the master of division. Biden says he wants to fix the division & reunite America. I sincerely hope he can. But it will take more than Biden to accomplish this feat. The Republican opposition will have to cooperate with that reunification or it will fail. We're at a critical junction politically now. Past generations faced such challenges & faired well. I hope we can equal them.
     
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    All you liberals did involving covid was ask him for logistical support which you got. Nothing else comes to mind? Did you help him when he gave us the energy independence all previous Presidents paid lip service to and did nothing to effect? Did you liberals help him when he reset trade deals around the world and insisted America get returns on our generosity? Did you help him insist our friends across the water pay their share of our defense alliance budgets? Did you liberals help him get Israel and some Arab nations to agree to some peace measures that above all else recognized Israel's right to exist? I'm like you though, I can't remember a single instance of support for him from the left in 4 years including Covid.
     
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    It is exactly the "individual states" that have often refused to comply with the Trump Administration's instructions, advice, or nearly anything else. Look at all the in-Trump's-face outright rebellion there has been in ALL the populous states whose leadership is infested with DEMOCRATS! Look at all the back-and-forth that went on about masks, 'social-distancing', which medicines really, actually WORK, who-gets-what-scare-medical-equipment, and on and on and ON!

    Meanwhile Trump pressed on with marshaling the resources of the largest medical companies and pharmaceutical houses in the United States to go full speed ahead on VACCINES, in spite of all these loud-mouthed, uncooperative hateful bureaucrats in "the states".

    And now, that we're right on the cusp of getting those vaccines, do you think that ANYBODY in the hyperliberal Left will bother to remember Trump's truly Herculean work in getting the vaccines through all the government 'red-tape' and allowing the R & D work to go on as swiftly as responsibly possible...? Oh, HELL NO! :roflol:

    "Hypocrite, thy name is DEMOCRAT!"
     
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    1. We liberals, along with many governors, asked Trump to create a national control center for Covid that would coordinate efforts nationally against the virus. Trump refused. That one act would have cut Covid spread & deaths to half.
    2. We had energy independence under Obama. We were exporting oil from the U.S. Plus, under Obama, we were one of the leading nations in solar & wind energy development.
    3. Liberals believe trade deals are supposed to benefit every signee. Trump insisted they benefit America more than others. Trump pretty much killed our gigantic trade with China, & made most of our former trade partners so leary of him they backed away from new trade deals entirely. Did you notice the relief our former Allies in Europe had when they learned Trump lost the election? Allies are friends. Friends care about friends. They don't take advantage of them & ridicule them over trade deals. Trump was a jerk with our Allies & with sought after trade partners.
    4. Liberals appreciate the fact that NATO was a major factor in keeping peace in Europe since WWII, & are happy to make the financial commitment to NATO to keep that going. Trump fails to understand the value of that decades long peace, but measures our relationship with Allies & NATO in terms of money--which is a poor standard to use.
    5. Liberals have been trying for peace in the Middle East just as hard as Trump. Opportunities arise very seldom. Liberals are just as enthusiastic in their support of peace agreements there as Trump or his supporters are. I don't know the details of this treaty or what it accomplishes that didn't exist before, but if it recognizes Israel's right to exist, then I applaud it, & suspect other liberals will do the same.
    6. Trump has repeatedly made it clear he didn't regard himself as President of the whole country, but rather President of his voting base. Every major decision he made during his tenure was made based on how it would impact his core base of support. He never cared whether it was good for the U.S., or for those who voted Democrat in 2016 or 2018. He never made any effort whatsoever to spread his support into more centrist supporters. His base is far right. Trump is far right. Both are too extreme to gather support from liberals, absent substantial compromise.
     
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    I dont care if trump loses. I want my vote to count and be equal to 1 vote with no currpt politicians influences.
     
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    Louder with crowder is not extremist right wing. Nypost isnt extremist either.

    Proof of trump trying to buy off anything?

    My arguments come from the fact that there has been almost 200000 votes if human error and I believe that needs to be investigated.
     
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    Our forefathers didn't make America great by finding every excuse available to fight their fellow Americans. They had as many differences of opinion as we do today. But they found ways to compromise with each other without demeaning each other's right to differ. Until we can do the same, America will continue its downward spiral. Finding fault with each other isn't the answer. Working together to find solutions is. But it will take us working together toward that shared purpose, if we are to succeed. Your post continues Trump's tendency toward division & discord. I implore you to rethink your stance. If you love America, you need to relearn how to love Americans--even those who disagree with you. America will neve be great again, divided.
     
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    Then give the system your support & correct deficiencies as they occur. :)
     
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    If there were 200,000 votes suspected of error of any kind, I would agree with you completely that they needed investigating. How do you explain your concerns in light of Trump's appointed Director of Elections for the U.S. saying, "The 2020 election is the most secure election in history." If you have hard core evidence of that many errors, why hasn't it been submitted to the courts by now? With Trump's legal team opening charges in a wide variety of states over the past two weeks, why haven't they offered that evidence in support of their charges? I am in total agreement with you that any evidence of such a huge voter discrepancy should absolutely be investigated & taken thru legal channels. But how do you know of this while Trump's personal election lawyers don't? Please explain.
     
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    Will do.
     
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    I could use the same talking points you have used and say that he was paid off without proof lol.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nothing he said here is racist.

    Perhaps for Xmas you can get a dictionary as a gift.
     
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    That is a very authoritarian thing to keep telling us.

    Democrats are full of things they want to abolish.
     
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    So, are you committed to continuing the division of America? Remember, America can't ever "be great again", divided. Shouldn't we both be driven to bring evidence back into our world of personal values? Shouldn't it be valued nationally as well? Are you comfortable with hearsay as an acceptable foundation for discrediting innocent people the way Trump does? I hope not.
     
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    From my perspective, the same can be said of our Trump supporters. Trump himself wanted to abolish thousands of ballots from Wayne County, MI just a few days ago, so he help himself win.

    I know from a practical point of view, that racism can never be totally abolished, but it can be subdued to the point of near extinction. When you consider the evil done to fellow humans in its name, extinction would be a desirable goal. But reducing it to a small fringe existence would make it unimportant as a driver of national politics & even employment considerations. That would be acceptable.
     

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