Thousands in COVID-19-stricken Texas wait up to 12 hours for free food

No, it is the informed response. Ample evidence shows the harms caused by the lockdowns.

 

So is that how you see the presidency? Suffering caused by one party's actions is not the responsibility of the party in power? Trump is only responsible for the actions he has directed? People in blue cities aren't his problem?

 

Those advocating for lockdowns are either ignorant of the facts, or simply don't care about the harm caused.

So it goes with religious orthodoxy and true believers.

 

He offered help to blue cities. They refused. Cities govn themselves. The Fed does NOT control the day to day operations. If they allow people to riot and burn that’s on the city to fix it, NOT the president. If cities shut down that’s on the cities to have a plan. They can’t allow themselves to be destroyed then claim it’s the Presidents responsibility to pay for it all or hold their hand.

 

Pelosi made it clear she would not budge on her $2.2T stimulus package when Trump offered to sign a $1.8T stimulus package. McConnell won't budge from his $1T stimulus package.

 

How do you explain the rise in Covid-19 cases whenever states try to open up?

 

Its important to follow the entirety of the thread you're quoting. The thread is about people waiting in long lines for food. And I was replying to a comment that read:
When you do economic shutdowns "to prevent the spread the Covid", this is the result. This isn't a secret. We aren't the side arguing for shutdowns, theirs is. And when the suffering of the shutdown hits, its our fault? I don't think that is how logic works.

So if you would like to respond with respect to the us vs. them, the blue vs. red mentality, I'm listening. But more discussions of riots don't interest me. I could go to the vast numbers of threads that have been going on for months to read your thoughts on riots and damage and Democrats Bad.

 

I have always been an advocate of clean bills. Now clean bills to me are for example a stimulus bill for COVID relieve. Logic says that should be for individuals and small and medium sized businesses. Not for for profit schools and not for art museums or any of that crap. I am sure that the Demokratchics will argue that people working for museums deserve relief. Or maybe even people working for non profit schools deserve relief. So if we give relief to museum workers are we funding the arts?

 

"Nearly three-quarters of people interviewed in a study conducted by the CDC said that they had worn a mask or cloth face covering 'always' while in public in the weeks leading up to their COVID-19 diagnosis."

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcwashington.com/news/kennedy-center-stops-musicians-pay-despite-25-million-in-federal-relief/2257543/?amp

The National Symphony Orchestra was told by the Kennedy Center president that they will not be paid after next week, according to the union that represents them.

The announcement came on the same day President Donald Trump signed the stimulus package that included $25 million for the Kennedy Center.

"They're shocked, they're stunned. They don't know how to prepare to know that their last pay check is coming next Friday," said Ed Malaga, president of the Metropolitan Washington D.C. Federation of Musicians.

They need it, but they aren't getting it. That money goes to Pelosis wealthy friends who run the place, not to the actual people employed there.

Duh.

That's how spending bills work.

 

Great point.

All of this is Happening in Trump's America.

Trump dropped the ball on Covid, and this massive (uncontrolled) outbreak is a direct result of Trump's Failed Policies.

Is there really any doubt as to WHY Trump LOST in a Landslide.

 

I'm just so saddened by the idea that people supporting one party would not care for the plight of supporters from the other. Apparently, we are no longer the UNITED states of America.

 

If what you say about Nancy P's friends getting the money for stimulous not the workers then that is wrong.

Is the same thing true for the relief that went to the Airlines and cruise ship lines not going to the workers. Is so isn't that just as wrong?

How do we know that the Symphony workers did not get squat but Nancy's friends did.

 

We officially stopped being the United States of America on Jan. 20, 2017.

 

So we have 3 stubborn gebonees at odds. At one time I knew how all three bills differed.

 

If its through paycheck protection, and the same stipulations apply to museums as small business interms of how they use it for qualifying expenses, I see no issue.

 

The problem is that the Democrats exacerbated the problem twofold with lockdowns and by refusing the smaller stimulus bill (which would have provided a lot of much needed relief, even if it didn't cover all of the Dem's partisan pork) but now the Democrats want to blame the Republicans for the problem the Democrats exacerbated.

Coronavirus never should have been politicized to begin with. If people really needed someone to blame, they could have pointed their fingers towards China, but the Democrats saw an opportunity to manipulate low information voters into becoming anti-Trumpers by politicizing Coronavirus as "Trump's" virus. Therefore, it seems disingenuous for any Democrats to complain that people are divided on the issue......this is the Dem's chickens coming home to roost, after all.

I'm neither a Democrat nor a Republican so I can call it like I see it. I don't like the divisiveness or the partisanship either, but I know you can't put all of the blame on just one side, and in this case in particular, it's the Democrats who deserve the biggest share of the blame.

 

If certain states want to shut down completely causing food shortages, it’s on those states to solve problems their decisions cause. NOT the federal
Govt. Those states are putting the lives of the few over the needs of the many. It’s a balancing act. States can’t just expect all the other states NOT shutting down to pay for decisions that cripple their economies. That’s not fair to those being more logical and responsible. And that brings us back to the riots. ONLY blue cities allowed the riots to continue so how is it fair to force all the red states that didn’t tolerate such animalistic behavior to pay for such irresponsible policy? That’s the big problem here. And we know Biden is going to hand all the blue states money and they won’t learn a ****ing thing when they allow it to happen again. Why be responsible when you can just get others to pay for your **** ups?

 

All the good arguments you gave for not supporting states/cities/parties which bring their problems upon themselves and won't take responsibility and won't alter their actions, could be used for "welfare" too.

 

I would have no issue either if it is used for paycheck protect.

 

Trump politicized the corona Virus by calling it fake news and ignoring it. He also politicized it by accusing blue states of not handling it well. Look at it now. Trump did not understand that the virus does not care if it is a blue state or a speckled state.

 

so why did Trump issue guidelines to shut down?

 

even if it does, who cares, should we punish America for this? we have a bill passed in the house, time for the Senate to at least vote on it

give dems what they want and give repubs what they want... simple

repubs want business to be liability free, if they get that, give dems what they want

 

Who cares?

Well ****,etc just give everybody a Ferrari while we're at it.

How about we spend the dollars that are actually going to make the most difference in mitigating the economic impacts of the virus.

 

yeah that makes as much sense as someone saying, food stamps for the poor not earning a living wage, well let's just give them a Ferrari while were at it, let the kids starve

people are hurting through no fault of their own, the Trump showdown and reopen guidelines are not the peoples fault