What is the Difference?

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  1. doombug

    doombug Well-Known Member

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    I see alot of "fact checking" and demands for evidence when it comes to the claims of fraud in this election. Yet in 2016 there was none of that for the Russian Collusion claims. There was even a Special Counsel appointed to investigate which resulted in not much of anything.

    There is much hand wringing this time about our democracy and how claims of election fraud will damage it. Where were these claims in 2016 and the past 4 years?

    My question is what is the difference?

    Shouldn't we let the process play out and stop with the hand wringing?
     
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    Sirius Black Well-Known Member

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    Who is stopping the process? Investigation and court cases go on. Just as you had opinions on the Russian Collusion others should be free to have opinions on this, don't you agree?
     
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    Sure but the media was supporting the Russian Collusion narrative and now are yelling about "democracy"! LOL!
     
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    The process is playing out. You just don’t like the results.
     
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    I never backed the whole Russian collusion crap. So I can ask....where the hell is all this evidence of widespread voter fraud? Hasn’t pretty much every lawsuit except for one been thrown out so far? How’s that possible if there is all this damning evidence???
     
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    doombug Well-Known Member

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    Where did I say it wasn't? I am pointing to the hypocrisy of those who supported the Russian Collusion nonsense.
     
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    doombug Well-Known Member

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    Where was the evidence for Russian Collusion? There was zero but that did not stop lefties and their breathless performances. Please do not pretend you did not support it.
     
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    They won two, but neither had anything to do with voter fraud
     
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    So you are saying that Trump and his supporters are being just as stupid as those who made claims about Russian collusion - aren’t you.
     
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    Does my memory fail me or didn't members of the Trump team get convicted?
     
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    What Russian collusion? See, no amount of you wishing I supported it makes it true. Simple fact is I didn’t support it then and still don’t. It’s crap. Capiche?
    Now, back to the current day issue at hand. Please provide the evidence of widespread voter fraud. I’ll wait :D
     
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    Oh my bad...so what, are they now 2 for 30? That ain’t a good batting avg.
     
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    The Trump Tower meeting alone is more proof than you guys have offered for massive voter fraud. It proved that Russia intended to help Trump win, that they had dirt on Clinton, that the Trump campaign was told about this (and failed to alert the FBI), and that they were excited to hear about it and to meet with a Russian intelligence contact. Imagine for a moment that there was proof of massive voter fraud in Biden's favor, that his campaign was told about this beforehand, and that they met with the people who planned the fraud and covered up the meeting afterward. No, the two aren't remotely comparable.

    Plus, let's say they were the same. All you are doing is projecting your hypocrisy onto others. You didn't wait for either of these things to "play out." You were calling the Russia investigation a hoax before it concluded. You've claimed that there was widespread voter fraud before the court cases concluded, and so has Trump.

    You are guilty of EXACTLY the same hypocrisy that you are accusing the left of.
     
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    Where is that evidence of widespread voter fraud?
     
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    No it is not. There are affidavits and whistleblowers already that go well past some silly meeting.
     
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    In the swing state elections...so far.
     
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    Take a look at the results. Plenty of evidence. Explain how we can get a fractional vote as a result?
     
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    So no evidence. Got it
     
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    No, there really aren't. There's a reason why those "affidavits" (which for the most part don't even make claims of having witnessed fraud0 have been repeatedly tossed out by the courts and why Trump's own legal team has admitted that they are full of "spam."
     
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    No evidence has been provided of "fractional votes." None. Zero. How do you get there? By doing what Trump's lawyers have done: just lie out your ass and make it up.
     
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    Hahahahaha you guys keep saying “plenty of evidence” but yet can’t produce any actual evidence. Not sure what you’re referring to regarding fractional vote but I suspect you don’t either.
     
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    Yes it has.
     
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    This isn't a court of law. Besides aren't anonymous sources and phony dossiers good enough for you guys anymore?
     
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