Thousands attack Brazil supermarket amid violent protests after black man beaten to death....

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  1. Space_Time

    Space_Time Well-Known Member

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    Apparently the Brazilian George Floyd. I also had thought Brazil didn't really have this kind of problem. I don't know why they couldn't just arrest him:
     
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    That's funny.
     
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    The demonstrations probably won't end soon:
     
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    How racism is possible in Brazil where most of the people are the mixed race.
    It is kind of artificial soros-team induced issue.
     
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    And it needs to be added: the black man was beaten simply because he had an argument with a cashier. He didn't do anything else. Other people were restrained by other security agents so that they wouldn't intervene, including the horrified wife of the man being murdered.
     
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    Race doesn't work the same way in Brazil that it works in the US.
    It's not whether you're Black or White, it's how Black or White you are.

    Same thing in India. kind of along the lines of their informal caste system.
    virtually no one is "pure race" in any of these countries, yet racism is still very much alive.

    It's a similar situation in many Latin American countries. Look at Spanish-speaking soap operas. Virtually all of the actors they idolize are almost European-looking, even though 85% of the people in their country do not look like that.
     
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    Being black while threatening a grocery store worker shouldn't get you a death sentence. Still if you go around threatening females at grocery stores you have to expect people to react.
     
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    Wrong. It's how wealthy you are, in Brazil, not exactly how deep the color of your skin is.
    Also wrong about the ethnic composition of many South American countries; many are predominantly white. Example: Uruguay, 87.7% white.
    And in Brazilian soap operas and TV series, many actors and actresses are black or brown. Watch, for example, "3%" on Netflix.
    Uh, what? Virtually no one is pure race in any of these countries?
    Where did you get that from?
    There are plenty of people in Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, Chile, etc., whose parents and grandparents were exclusively European whites.

    This woman is from Uruguay:
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    This one is from Chile:
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    This one is from Argentina:
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    And this one is from Brazil:
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    Isn't that Mrs. Tom Brady Gisele Bundchen?
     
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    I think we're nitpicking details. It depends on the country. You are correct in some countries like Uruguay, and Argentina, but in most Latin American countries the percentage of pure European ancestry population is very small. Most of those who consider themselves "White" in Brazil are not actually pure European-ancestry, in fact about half of these "Whites" would appear obviously mixed to an American.
     
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    Again, not true. I know Brazil very well. I've worked there several times in scientific collaboration missions and I speak fluent Portuguese. I have literally dozens of friends there, I visit regularly, and I've been to most states from the North to the South. And no, there are *plenty* of Brazilians whose ancestors are 100% Europeans, especially in states like Paraná, Santa Catarina, and Rio Grande do Sul (also a lot in Goiás, and in most of São Paulo and half of Minas Gerais; Rio de Janeiro has more blacks, and Bahia has the most blacks). There are entire cities in Santa Catarina and Rio Grande do Sul where the whole population is of German descent (and speak German) or Italian descent. It doesn't matter what someone would "appear" to an American. Most Brazilian cities are coastal and have gorgeous beaches so many Brazilian whites are tan due to sun tanning all their lives. But, erm, cough cough, if you have an opportunity, look at a body part not exposed to the sun and it is milky white.

    See this video clip, from a local TV in Santa Maria, Rio Grande do Sul. The woman is singing in Italian (with great accent; I speak fluent Italian too). Look at her, and look at the audience when the camera focuses on people watching the show. Skip to 1 minute when she starts singing.



    It's a beautiful song too, so, it might be entertaining if you like this kind of music (pretty old style; if you are young, you won't like it). But the camera focuses several times on people listening, like this one (and that's exactly how most people look like, in Rio Grande do Sul - which is the state that neighbors Uruguay):

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    In Brazil, the largest ethnic group (by a hair) is White with 44.73%. Second largest, Brown, 43.13% (the ones you're referring to, who would be considered mixed, here, and indeed are mixed). Next, Blacks, 10%. Asian, 1.09%. Indigenous, 0.43%.

    Unlike Bolivia and Peru where you see the typical South American indigenous-looking populations descending from the Incas, there aren't too many indigenous people in Brazil, given how they were decimated by the Portuguese. At one point there were 200,000 left. So, the Brazilian population is largely European in origin + the slaves from Africa who were brought there, and then, there was miscegenation with the emancipated slaves (much more than here; mixed marriages there are much more common than here), so that 43.13% are Brown, of mixed race, and only 10% are pure Black. The Brown ones are called in Portuguese, Mulatos. There is a stereotypical over-sexualization of the image of the Mulata, the female mixed-race Brazilian (they do tend to be very beautiful) and the Escolas de Samba (the Samba clubs that parade in Rio's Carnival) like to have them prominently featured and scantily clad, so that image goes around the world and people assume that the whole population in Brazil looks like that. But like I've just showed to you, the pure Whites are as numerous as the Brown Brazilians.

    Here, a Brazilian Mulata:

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    I'm not nitpicking. It's just that I know the country very well, and I do know other South American countries too, and I just wanted to set the record straight.

    Chile has a smaller proportion of European Whites than Uruguay and Argentina, but they are still very predominant: 68%. Chile has a lot more natives than Argentina and Uruguay: 32%. Very few blacks. Peru has a significant percentage of Asians, especially from Japan.

    Paraguay has a huge percentage of natives who speak their own language which is official in Paraguay: Guarani. 90% of Paraguayans speak Guarani. They are usually bilingual; 87% also speak Spanish (both languages are co-official). That is a very unique situation that you don't see in other Latin American countries, to this proportion. Paraguay has a large Arab immigrant population and is unique in South America for that, although Brazil also has some Lebanese and Syrian communities (and a large Japanese population in São Paulo).

    Ecuador also has a lot of natives of Inca descent. They speak a language called Quechua.

    South America also has three countries with very distinct culture and demographics: Départment de la Guyane which is a French state like Hawaii is an American state, therefore is part of the European Union; they speak French (I do, too). Then there is Suriname, colonized by the Dutch; they speak Dutch. And there is Guyana (not to be confounded with the French state), an independent country colonized by the British, with English as the official language, and a large population of immigrants from the Indian subcontinent, who speak Hindustani and Tamil in addition to English.

    What I mean is, South America is a VAST continent, VERY diverse, with VERY different ethnic groups and languages.

    Americans (I don't know if you're American; I'm assuming you are) tend to think of South America as "Brown people who speak Spanish" and that's a stereotype and a generalization (not only there are all the cultures and languages I mentioned above, but the by far biggest and most populous country in South America, which occupies more than half of the continent, speaks Portuguese).

    Americans tend to think of South America as a sort of continuation of Mexico to the South... and that's just not true. South America is VERY different from Mexico, in regards to languages, culture, ethnic groups, and demographics.

    As far as Central America and the Caribbean go, I have no clue. I have never been to this region of the world. Of course I see pictures and images and read about Panama, Costa Rica, Haiti, Dominican Republic, Cuba, etc., but I have no personal experience with that part of the world. The most I've seen, is that once a flight I took from South America to the United State had a technical issue and landed in Panama City to fix something; I saw the city up close from the sky and it seems very beautiful and modern.
     
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    Yes. 100% descendent from Germans who immigrated to Brazil. She is from the state of Santa Catarina which is hugely white in population.
     
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    Something curious for those who like languages:

    The song above in post #12, in Italian, sung by a Brazilian singer, here is in Portuguese version:



    What you can observe is how close Portuguese is to Italian, if you listen to the clip in Italian then to the clip in Portuguese, paying attention to the sounds of the words. Portuguese phonetically actually resembles Italian more than Spanish, in many ways. Portuguese and Italian sound very similar, with open vowels that are pronounced almost exactly the same. Very similar vocabulary too, which is seen here with just a few words that are very different, like river, which is "fiume" in Italian but "rio" in Portuguese. Also, in parts of the lyrics you'll hear "voce" instead of the Italian "te" - "voce" being a contraction of the ancient "vosmice" which was a way to formally address people of noble descent, but in modern Brazilian Portuguese it is the informal second grammatical person, much more common than "tu."

    But these languages are so similar that whoever speaks only Portuguese will still understand the Italian lyrics, and vice-versa.

    I think that the Italian and Portuguese languages are the two most beautiful languages in the world for music, due to their prominent open vowels.

    Here, another "gift" to dispel stereotypes. While "mulatas" are the Samba image that is shown abroad, in Brazil, whites also make good Samba. This white Brazilian singer is singing Samba here (and she is oh so pretty!):

     
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    This is all off-topic, but this is a very interesting clip for people here interested in demographics and ethnic groups. This shows the spirit, beauty, and way of life of Brazilians. As the camera pans around, you can see this remarkably diverse population in this vibrant country. It's the same song above, to start with, and two more. I love that country.

    This clip was recorded in the crowded central plaza of a local market, and that's exactly how Brazil is, and how Brazilians have fun:



    The same event, this clip shows a bit better the set up, shows all the tables in this space, and shows the people even better, with some very pretty ladies...

     
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    Brazil has huge violence problems.. Corona made it worse.
     
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    The US is likely going to look like Brazil in a couples of decades.

    Of course most people really have no idea what Brazil is really like, what that would mean, and just take so many things in the US that exist (or don't exist) for granted.
    Brazil has a lot of the same problems that exist in the US, but substantially worse.

    It will be the problems of Brazil, but without the tropical climate.
     
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