How to find God

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  1. Kode

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    "Teachings"? Take another look a Corin. 2:14.

    It is different from MAN'S UNDERSTANDING of the Gospels. That understanding is the product of the mind of man, and so it is of "Satan". It cannot be trusted. "Believers" read the bible as lawyers read legal abstracts. Instead of receiving the Spirit's meaning, they figure out the logical meaning as it appears to the human mind. He who has ears to hear, let him hear.
     
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    Yes, and 99.9% of "believers" don't understand what that actually means!!! LOL!!!
     
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    Do you agree with me that this is not bibical teachings? I believe that Yeshua is the real name of God when he walked the earth, but there is no mystical power in any Hebrew language translation of the name of Jesus. The Jews using the word Yeshua was not mystical, it was normal for them, because they spoke Hebrew. https://evidenceforchristianity.org...e-only-correct-biblical-name-for-the-messiah/

     
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    Jesus didn't just die on the cross to offer salvation to mankind, but so that they could come before God. Salvation affects more than the afterlife.
     
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    I hold that as immaterial. The important thing is only to take the bible as an inspirational and embellished writing, and practice what it says regarding seeking within. Then the other practices it commands we do in this outward world will be understood for what they are.
     
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    While that "milk" is worth something, the "meat" of it is very different as it relates to spiritual experience within.

    If you examine the bible carefully and allow inner guidance to lead, you will understand that the very first experience of a new seeker is that of the "Holy Spirit" assisting with initial purification. But then, the "Holy Spirit" leads or "takes us" to the direct experience of "Christ within" once initial purification is has progress sufficiently.

    "the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things"

    And then, once "Christ within" is established as an inner experience, the "Holy Spirit" vanishes, leaving the seeker with "Christ within". After much more purification, "Christ within" does something miraculous. We find no distinction between "Christ within" and "Me". Then, "I go unto my Father"(John 14:12) and discover that "I and my Father are one." (John 10:30)

    Hence, Christ is the "mediator" between God and man.
     
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    Hmmm, when I was very young I believed in Santa Clause. He had a naughty/nice list and an annual reward if you were good. So, near Christmas I made an effort, sort of, to be ‘observed’ being good. But, then, about the age 5, I, in general snooping, stumbled on a cache of what I surmised were gifts for me for the pending Christmas which when I received the gifts at Christmas, verified my suspicions of the true nature of Santa Claus. But, reasoning, if I revealed I knew the truth, I’d not receive a ‘visit from Santa Clause’. So, I not only kept my secret, but I participated in perpetuating the narrative to my younger siblings and other children as well. And, well, when it became obvious I knew the truth, I was correct in my prediction, I stopped getting the lucrative visits from Santa. I should have just kept believing.
     
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    Christ is the mediator because He didn't just become the Messiah to save us from the punishment of our sins but also so that we could be reconciled to a relationship with God. Jesus as Redeemer is found throughout the Old Testament. Job said He is alive and one day would
    stand upon the earth. Jacob said His coming would end the law, monarchy and nation of Israel. Daniel said He
    would be 'cut off' for His people. Isaiah said he would be the lowly man of sorrows. David spoke of Him upon the
    cross, offered gall to drink and His garments parted. I think it was Malachi who said a messenger from God would
    go before him (John the Baptist) and amazingly Zechariah spoke of the Jews mourning when they see their king
    coming to save Israel, but they see it's the man they crucified.
     
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    Anyone who reads the bible for the "facts" in it and believes they, as a human being, can be "saved", is "the natural man who receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God".
     
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    Thats also what they said about Newton, and to the best of my knowledge he is one man. Your attempt at making a point was pointless.
     
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    you’re not Newton.

    Had he not made those discoveries another scientist would. The only measurable your theory has is confidence. Yours alone.
     
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    Newton was a scientist, what he said wasnt the gospel. https://answersingenesis.org/creation-scientists/misplaced-faith-isaac-newton/

     
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    Im not the one who's putting ego defense in front of reason by posting fallacies
     
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    Your small sample fallacy is enough for the whole thread. If you had any evidence to support your claim, you could have posted it.
     
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    how about that 2 in a row!

    onus probandi fallacy
    Making a claim that needs justification, then demanding that the opponent justifies the opposite of the claim.
     
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    the burden of proof lies with you, the one who made the silly claim. using one loon and no facts as a source is the small sample fallacy. Are you trying or nah?
     
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    It goes without saying that Newton was only one man, nothing like taking your error to the point of patent absurdity
     
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    Is is more than than. Anyone can repeat the experiments Newton performed and get the same results.
     
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    Did you graduate from High School? If so, you should have taken a physics class in 12th grade and in that class performed some experiments validating Newton. Science is not one man, let alone one loon claiming something. Using science one can propose a scientific theory, but that theory is subject to verification by repeatable experiments.
     
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    nope, I skipped HS and went to college, well tested out.
    Thanks I had no idea :roll:
     
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    So you have never taken a physics class?
     
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    thats a soft drink right?
     
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    I am no longer an atheist. I found God or First Cause/Source after reading the Urantia Book and falling into depression earlier this year. I needed to find peace of mind and meaning in life.

    I now consider myself a spiritual free thinker.

    To atheists: I have no quarrel with you. You may very well be correct. I cling to just a grain of faith in a Universal Will. Love binds everything together and the law of attraction I personally believe is at least partially correct. But I don't dismiss science or try to contort science to fit the Bible narrative. Also, atheists have an important role to play in society in striking down bad ideas like young earth creationism. I also admire you for facing the world on your own without the hope of a higher power looking out for you. I couldn't get by every day and cling to my will to live without meditating and connecting to the Universal Will. I do not impose this belief on anyone. I don not have the ONLY way to happiness and salvation. Spirituality is a personal experience and I nobody is able to tell you what to believe. You need to find that on your own. There is only ONE thing I would ask of atheists: recognize that I do not belong in an insane asylum for my beliefs. I am not a danger to society. Most atheists will grant me this but there are still a small handful that won't.

    To Christians: I sympathize with your need to find meaning and peace of mind. Spirituality is indeed a human need. I do believe many of you are in the grip of backward and destructive ideas. But I forgive you for thinking that I'm going to hell. I sincerely hope Christianity will eventually drop homophobia, sexism and young earth creationism and embrace the idea of evolution. I have stopped my old ways of criticizing your religion. Only if bad ideas are pushed on me (like door to door evangelism) will I challenge them.
     
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    I'm sure that you don't. Not many theists do.

    We are all potentially dangerous to society because of our false beliefs. Of course, some atheists use that as an excuse to demonize theists.
     

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