What is your take away from the 2020 election?

It was America or Trump, and Americans did put America first.

Donald's struggle against America will soon come to an end. He'll be evicted from the White House in January. There's no room to hide in the WH. Joe knows that place very well.

 

LBJ was the 1st Socialist President that I remember. Older folk would say it was Franklin Roosevelt, Obama was the last Socialist President (he was more of a "stealth" Socialist) Bernie would have been the 1st declared socialist. Biden would be a socialist but 1st and foremost a globalist (same goals) Hell be whatever his handlers want him to be. Who are his handlers? The ones who got him illegal votes.

I really don't see Republicans playing the race card much....or using words like xenophobic, homophobic, or other phobics.

No, Democrats see themselves as "unions", African American's, Mexican American, or other hyphenated Americans. All Victims of some type of injustice. Republicans just see themselves as Americans. They are making great gains among minorities that are coming to see themselves as individuals.

 

So all you have is an EXTREMIST rightwing blog and something LOCKED behind a PAYWALL in violation of PF Rules.

Sad!

 

Irrelevant deflection.

 

It's rather obvious you don't have a coherent definition of socialism. FDR, LBJ, and Obama were not promoting collectivized production. Even the NRA wasn't socialist.

Real socialism is a menace we should reject. We know enough about it to know why it won't work, why it failed elsewhere. You misidentifying socialism is not helpful. In fact, you don't know how to put real socialists on the spot.

Biden isn't a wannabe socialist. That's absurd.

Propaganda Alert!

They just in too many cases practice it. How soon you forget Republican opposition to same-sex marriage. VP Pence was into conversation therapy.

And view visible minorities as somehow less than American.

Republican gains will be limited until they get rid of racists like Trump.

 

They were all incremental Socialist. You don't get there all at once!

 

You were wrong about them, period. FDR did some government-owned infrastructure, but showed he was committed to capitalism by how he handled production in WW2. LBJ and Obama never collectivized businesses.

 

They all just oversaw some of the biggest government giveaways possible. You just don't collectivize businesses all at once......you get there incrementally by growing government!

 

I acknowledge your point here. The Electoral College was designed to give states the power to elect Presidents & VPs, rather than the voters. Of course, in the time of our framing fathers, only white males over 21 years of age & owned land, were eligible to vote. Women, anyone of darker colored skin, non-land owners, gays, etc., couldn't vote anyway. The Founding Fathers & the Framing Fathers, were all from the wealthy aristocracy, & all feared the glowering ignorance of the masses. Few of them wanted to trust average citizens with the power of the vote. So, it was safer in their minds, to give that power to the states, thru their legislatures mostly. American history can be viewed as a long, difficult, sometimes tumultuous path toward ever widening voting & human rights. Today, it's hard for most Americans to imagine a time when they themselves would have been prevented from voting by law.

In the time of our Founding & Framing Fathers, state loyalty by citizens was much stronger than today. Today we have a highly fluid population that frequently moves to pursue new opportunities as they arise. Living in different states results in a weakening of loyalty toward one state only, till national citizenship rather than state citizenship, becomes a fundamental part of every citizen's reality. I have personally lived & worked in 9 states for various periods of time. I no longer regard myself a "citizen" of any of them. I am a "citizen" of the United States, which gives me the privilege of living & working anywhere between FL & AK, or between HI & ME. For me, the whole country is my "state." I suspect the majority of Americans feel the same way. The importance of supporting one state against another for any reason, seems senseless & out of date. So, the reason for the Electoral College--to give more equal powers to all the states (even the small ones), is no longer necessary. Giving every citizen of our vast country a feeling that their individual vote counts, is now more important. When Americans hear after an election that the candidate with fewer popular votes, but more Electoral College votes won, it makes them feel like their votes didn't count. That erodes the enthusiasm of many voters to even make the attempt to vote. The President & VP are the only national officials who actually represent ALL the citizens (or states, if you hang onto the Framing Fathers's ideas). Most Americans today regard the President as an official representing all of us as people, rather than the states. That's why we need to find a way to eliminate the Electoral College from our elections.

 

I would suggest a lot of people tend to be more transient and those people tend to gravitate to each other. Myself, I left my home state at 18. My ancestors had been living within aoo miles of there for 150 years. Moved to another state with similar cultural values. Have been there ever since with my family. It would also be fare to say there are many like me. It is also a pretty fair thing to say there are cultural differences between many states. We have diversity. I do not want my life to be ruled by a culture emanating from say...Kalifornia.

 

California itself has a lot of diversity. The area in & around San Francisco is very liberal. The area in Orange County has a long history of being quite conservative. So your prejudice against California seems overly generalized. But I do agree that there are states that are highly different from others. Utah is a good example. Having visited Utah on several occasions, I can testify to its natural beauty. But culturally, it is ruled by a ruthless religious cult with no history or interest in pacifism. Non-Mormons are outsiders, & outsiders are not welcome there. You're right, there are state cultures I don't want impacting my life either. That's one reason I'm more a nationalist than a state's rightist supporter. I'm actually more of an internationalist than a nationalist, because I feel every culture has positives to offer, along with negatives to be avoided. But we are all human, & all humans living today are Homo Sapien Sapiens--one species--& that alone surmounts all other considerations. We all have far more in common with each other than we have in differences. We need to learn that valuable lesson to help avert conflict & wars. The more global our thinking, the less we see in issues to create conflict. I'm all for that.

 

Fun fact: if the election results in GA, WI, MI and PA are thrown out, Biden only needs 238 Electoral votes to win and he would still have 244. Constitution says so. Yay!!!!!

 

I'm aware of what little diversity there is left in Kalifornia. My wife is from there, I have cousins there, and I have a host of Kalifornia refugees and customers here in Arizona. We were Red until Maricopa got that "Dominion Software". Those refugees, by and large, are glad they left and will never go back! So much for Orange County!

I do like the culture diversity in America. It is as though we are growing 50 cultures in Petri dishes, then we have choice. If you love Socialism, moral relativity and secular humanism, you can move to the "Left Coast". If your craving is Socialism, Government Control and "Big City life" the Northeast would be fine for you. If the desire is American Traditionalism, family life, and Faith, most anywhere in the flyover states can satisfy that along with different regional flavors. I like America and I know where I want to travel, spend my time and money.

Now when you say "The more global our thinking, the less we see in issues to create conflict. I'm all for that." It has all my awareness on alert. We have had leaders for decades selling out America to accomplish just what you suggest. They understand they need to do away with American exceptionalism (many times they deny we have it) in order to reduce us to the lowest common denominator. That way it will be far easier to assimilate us into the New World Order.

Funny thing about this 'globalism".....who will lead it? What faith will we embrace? Most likely it will be faith in government. I find that nauseating, but Kalifornia already has that. Why should we force everyone globally to comply? What are we going to do, have gulags for those that resist? So will you have a collective elitist snobs that know what is best for us globally?

Think you will have your hands full with what you are FOR ! Our Founders asserted in the Declaration of Independence (inseparable from the Constitution by the way) that our rights come from God, not dictated by a global government system. One big hurdle you will have is our 2nd amendment. Beto and Kamala can "come and take it"!

 

Constitution also provides that if there is widespread election fraud, the states will take a vote. 1 state 1 vote, 12th amendment. How do you fare then?

(that also is a fun fact)

 

Congress would have to throw out the results from all 50 states.

good luck with that.

 

If the state legislators vote Trump wins. Majority are Republican and that could happen.

 

I can't imagine where you are that's so different than what you can find somewhere in California. Have you ever been to Bakersfield?

 

Joe Biden will be the President in 59 days.

It's over.

 

Been to Bakersfield and I've been to San Francisco. Lot more people in the latter. Think they could ever compel Bakersfield to allow crapping on the streets like they do in San Fran and LA?

 

Did the Staue of liberty have something to do with Dominion? Is that what you imply here?

 

Bakersfield is conservative community.

This guy represents them in Congress...

 

Let me begin by saying I actually enjoyed your post. You may not see it yet, but we have much common ground, even if we are on different sides of the political spectrum. America is supposed to be a country where one can have different views & still be accepted. I hope that's still true.

On globalism. . .I think my definition or concept of "globalism" may differ from yours or most people's. I have a B.S. degree in Geography, & from that, I see the world much as you describe your views of the U.S. I enjoy the cultural differences, although I admit there are some cultures I'd feel pretty uncomfortable in. But overall, I see humanity as a single species (or race), with far more in common with each other than differences. I am natured so that I'd rather work WITH someone to find mutual agreement than argue or fight with them over petty differences. I am a peacemaker rather than a warmonger. But I'm aware there are warmongers out there who haven't yet learned the value of commonality & cooperation, so I'm careful. I am conscious of several global systems on Earth that work together with each other to make this planet the haven it is. Those systems are delicately balanced in ways not fully understood by humans. Our present generation of humans have the technological power to disrupt those sensitive systems & cause havoc in an ever expanding region of Earth's surface, damaging or destroying lives of humans & animals & plants there. Humans are just becoming aware of that power, but still have failed to connect with it or take responsibility for it. When I think global, I am thinking of these global systems, our dependence on them, & our growing responsibility for their well being. Right now, we're failing. Learning to think globally is not only exciting, but a growing necessity, for those systems support & sustain all life on Earth. Their demise would cause the extinction of most life, including humans. Ignorance here is dangerous. Many of our new issues around the planet involve these systems, but since they are global in nature, affecting everyone on the surface of the Earth, no one country can resolve those issues working alone. It requires cooperative efforts across national boundaries--often many nations--to be effective. We are being forced to become more "global" in our thinking just to cope. Your (& most American's) view of "global" is more tied to humans, focused mainly on economics or politics. My view of "global" is focused on critical Earth systems that literally sustain all life on this planet, & the impact humans are having on them, coupled to the counter impact their failing can & will have on us. My kind of "globalism" is a necessity for survival. Your kind of "globalism" is a small but important part of mine. We can't go back to being an isolated culture separate from all others like in centuries past. If we do, the Earth's systems will continue decaying & we will die.

 

Thank you for your thoughtful response. We do have very similar views I see. I love clean air, water and I do, in many ways consider myself a "naturalist", Let me expound on that. I am a retired builder by trade. That vocation chosen largely because I love the outdoors. Live in the mountains, I hike, fish and hunt. When I walk in the forest, I often find myself staring at unusual trees and marveling how it developed the way some look at buildings and wonder how they were built. So I want to make it clear I love the earth as much as any of the most radical environmentalists on the planet.

You made a statement that I find most interesting and find it leaning to my way of thinking. QUOTE: "I am a peacemaker rather than a warmonger. But I'm aware there are warmongers out there......". No argument there. "Blessed are the peacemakers", Why I find it most interesting is that I am far more concerned with the "nature of mankind" than I am the environment. Understanding that there are those that cry out for "peace" in an attempt to put a veil on there actual desires and motives.
At the same time there are those prepared for battle because there is often evil intent in the hearts of mankind. "The heart is often deceitful".

My own frame of reference is my faith in God and also how I believed that faith inspired the framers of our government. I use what I will call the Word of God to formulate most all of my precepts. Without being preachy, I will lay a few of them down. We should most definitely strive to be good stewards of the earth and what God has provided. It is there not only for our survival but for our enjoyment. God sustains all the earths systems and it is the folly of mankind to think we control.

However, and I think you might agree, if we could change the hearts of all mankind, to accept we were not designed to control, but rather we were designed to submit to one another, as well as our Creator it would go a long long way.The earth would be sustained out of love for one another. The One that Created everything puts a very high value on individuals and "somehow"(and there is a plan)would like to reach them in spite of the sovereignty he gave them from the beginning. Like you I believe my kind of "globalism" or what I would prefer to call "Kingdom living" will be essential to restore the earth to it's original intent. Setting up some type of organization as in "The Paris Peace Accord" is just a deceitful attempt at stifling the rights of some to advance gains for others done in the spirit of one collective controlling another.

I know, my idea will require a supernatural power to accomplish it's ends but I believe it is there. That is where my loyalty lies and I will resist to the end any system that stifles the liberty of an individual to work to that end.

 

I don't think you should have a takeaway from an election until the election is almost over and it wasn't almost over until an hour ago.
1. This election is a lot like Field of dreams: If you send them the absentee ballots, they will vote.
2. Georgia is now a swing state, but Ohio might now be a red state.
3. Maybe they didn't create votes, but they deliberately counted the votes most likely to be 97% for Biden last and assured CNN that Biden would make a comeback, just to torment Trump voters to the very limit.
4. As disgusting as the President is, reminding us every hour that he is disgusting turned fewer votes in 4 years than fear of being excommunicated from the black race.
5. The corona virus is not America's biggest medical problem.
It took a while, but Khruschev's prediction is almost upon us.

 

No. That's not what happened. Why are some of you staying so deliberately ignorant.

Each state started counting mail in ballots the second their law allowed them to. In Florida, it was starting two weeks before election day. In Nevada, they sat at the USPS distro centers until election day, and then they started sorting them. Each state had different laws.

This isn't hidden knowledge. Stay up to date.