HINH have we come to this?

Well if that is your point what is your proposed solution?
The problem as I see it is unions drive up the cost of labor. Labor is the biggest cost for most employers. Since American's believe they deserve so much pay, rich people in their wisdom decided to address it by circumventing American labor by many different methods that I outlined earlier. Now we have mass amounts of Americans getting booted from good paying jobs that didn't require high levels of skills. Seems to me all democrats want to do is continue to support unions, the root of the problem imo, and supplement that by raising the minimum wage for people displaced by their policies or introducing other generous welfare programs that really just punish skilled workers. Do you really think this is going to resolve anything? Automation is unavoidable I know. It will only grow. This means new generations need to recognize that and aim for career fields that lead them in that direction. What do we do with all the unskilled people losing their high paying jobs now? They need to be protected against outsourcing jobs and illegal immigrant labor.

 

Part of the cause is that politics has been taken over by pop culture. In the 90's self help and psychology became the same and it became nothing more than a money making scam. Politics has became the same.

 

In a word. Education.

 

Sorry, I'm just not good with delusional people.

 

Do you really think illegal immigrants are taking those good paying jobs?

 

Thanks for proving my point. I myself have got over the childish urge to insult others here. Perhaps you will, IDK.

 

What about it? Education by itself is not the answer. Many of these people begging for free stuff have expensive, high powered college degrees. Most of them are lucky to be making 45,000 a year. Everyone needs a high school education but our public schools are failing at even providing that. What we need are people who are willing to learn skills in fields that are relevant today. Many people don't even know where to look so they need to be guided into the right direction. That is what Trump was trying to do with his presidency. Offer more high paying jobs for citizens to help themselves. Most democrats seem to not care about opportunity and seem to want to take charge of people's lives. Tell them how much they can travel, what to eat, and how much they deserve to live off. I'm sorry but as someone who likes to support himself, as do many other Trump supporters, that is not an appealing solution to the problem. We are not children to be raised we are adults who want to work

 

Immigrants who come here even legally are part of the problem. They benefit themselves because cutting an American's pay in half, is still a raise from where they come from. They benefit rich business owners, because they cut an American's pay in half, and it's still a raise from where they come from. The literal only people who do not benefit from it, get this, ARE THE WORKING PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY. Americans are not racist, they just don't want the value of their labor to go into the gutter.

 

Capitalism met the media. That is what happened.

 

There you go COMPLETELY dodging the subject. This conversation is not about robots. Are you denying that companies don't re-locate when their taxes are too high and are you denying foreign outsourcing takes jobs from Americans? If you care to do this, please do it with proof and not with pretty little robot videos

 

Are you trying to change the topic?
How many of those assembly line workers had a college degree?
It was a good job you could get with minimum education.
I'm sorry, but a high school education may not cut it anymore if you want a good job.
It's part of that change thing.
But please don't veer to far off from the facts.

 

I'm sorry. Did you forget what you posted?

 

I'm not saying college education isn't good for some people, but it is incredibly expensive and according to this source, only 27 percent of college graduates work in a field related to their major. This idea that simply getting a college degree is going to make you successful is wrong. You have to know what is valuable where you live, or find something you are good at that is valuable anywhere you are or want to go. I know electricians and plumbers who make better money than a couple I know where one has a masters in statics and the other is an RN.

 

But Biden's not in office yet; you're ahead of yourself. I'm sure that will be his platform and obviously he's highly experienced at prEying on the population- and of course, things will get worse when he finds the mercenary haters the left turned loose on us won't stand down. But give the old fart a chance. As president, he will have unlimited opportunities to sniff up women and do his touchy-feely-creepy thing, so maybe that will preoccupy him. Besides, he already has Harris to keep the hate-pot stirring. Soon he will add Bernie Sanders, possibly AOC- it will be like California, fruits and nuts everywhere. Then they will attempt to emulate Venezuela, where everything is- uh- free; if you can find it and steal it.

 

Well both parties are doing their best to execute an agenda that involves you being angry all the time.

They each inspire negative partisanship and sadly it is helped in popularity by the politicization of all things.

 

In this thread alone, I have been called "delusional" and "mindless slave" by those on the left, having offered no insults of my own. And by the OP no less. Next time you wonder what happened, ask the mirror.

 

History sir is more than suggestive of the idea that those who are not willing to fight crap will wind up buried in it.

 

We were already in this place when one party failed to accept the result of an election, used our intel agencies, our own diplomats and diplomats of our allies and spies of our enemies to infiltrate and frame the candidate, transition team, and the administration of the opposing party. This was all orchestrated by the predecessor, the first ex-President who stayed around DC to undermine the country under his successor.

None of it was surprising. When a President tells a global adversary that he will have more flexibility to undermine the US after he wins reelection because he can no longer be held accountable by the voters, we can expect what we've seen. In 2013, the then President didn't give a crap about working in a bi-partisan manner ,,, so he had his Senate Leader Nuke any chance of bipartisanship in order for him to stack the lower courts with radicals.

That's not all of it. Intolerance is running rampant in K-12 and even in college campuses. This is stuff of the 3rd Reich ,,, which is not surprising since alot of the funding for agitation comes from a graduate of the Hitler youth. This is no accident.

Here is the history of civil unrest in the US prior to Trump ,,,,,,,,,,,

Carter - 9

Reagan - 4

GHW Bush - 6

Clinton - 8

GW Bush - 9

Obama - 30

• 2009 – Riots against BART Police shooting of Oscar Grant, January 7, 120 arrested, Oakland, California

• 2009 – Akron riots, March 14, 2009, 7 arrested; and July 2009, unknown number arrested, Akron, Ohio

• 2009 – 2009 G-20 Pittsburgh summit protests, Sept. 24-25, 193 arrested

• 2010 – Springfest riot, April 10, 200 police disperse crowd of 8,000 using tear gas, pepper spray, rubber bullets, and bean bag rounds, near the campus of James Madison University; dozens injured. 30–35 arrested; Harrisonburg, Virginia

• 2010 – Santa Cruz May Day riot, May 1, 250 rampage through downtown Santa Cruz attacking 18 businesses, causing an estimated $100,000 in damages. 1 arrested. Santa Cruz, California

• 2010 – Oakland protest riot, November 5, Police made more than 150 arrests as a crowd broke windows and knocked down fences, protesting sentence of former BART officer in shooting of Oscar Grant on New Years Day 2009; see BART Police shooting of Oscar Grant. Oakland, California

• 2011 – Occupy Wall Street (Brooklyn Bridge protests). Demonstrators blocked the bridge and more than 700 people were arrested. New York, New York

• 2011 – Occupy Wall Street Oakland protests riots. October. Protesters shattered windows, set fires, and plastered buildings with graffiti. Riot police fired heavy amounts of tear gas on the protesters.

• 2012 – NATO 2012 Chicago Summit, May. Conflict between riot police and protesters. Dozens of demonstrators clubbed and arrested.

• 2012 – Anaheim police shooting and protests, July 28. Violence erupted after multiple shootings in the neighborhood by police that included unarmed Manuel Diaz. 24 people were arrested

• 2013 – Flatbush Riots, March 11, Riots in Brooklyn, New York after the death of Kimani Gray who was shot and killed by NYPD

• 2014 – Bundy Standoff, April 5–May, an armed confrontation between supporters of cattle rancher Cliven Bundy and law enforcement following a 21-year legal dispute in which the United States Bureau of Land Management (BLM) obtained court orders directing Bundy to pay over $1 million in withheld grazing fees for Bundy's use of federally-owned land adjacent to Bundy's ranch in southeastern Nevada.

• 2014 – Ferguson unrest, Ferguson and St. Louis, Missouri, August 10 and November 24. Following the shooting death of Michael Brown by a Ferguson police officer, protests erupt in the streets. Police respond with riot gear, tear gas, sound canons, police dogs, concussion grenades, rubber bullets, pepper balls, wooden bullets, beanbag rounds, tasers, pepper spray, and armored vehicles. Unrest occurred continuously for weeks in August, and sporadically through December, with nearly daily protests throughout the period and rioting following the non-indictment announcement on Nov 24. Unrest again occurred on the one year anniversary in August 2015, with dozens of arrests.

• 2014 – St. Louis, Missouri - October 8, police vehicle windows broken as rage at the killing of Vonderrit Myers Jr. Protests continued for days afterward, during the nearby and ongoing Ferguson Unrest.

• 2014 – New York, New York, and Berkeley, California – After prosecutors and a grand jury refused to indict a police officer in the death of Eric Garner, protests erupted in New York City and other cities.

• 2014 Oakland riots, November–December, A series of riots and civil disturbances that took place in Oakland and the surrounding area, in reaction to the events involving the Shooting of Michael Brown and later, the death of Eric Garner, Oakland, California

• 2014 – Berkeley, Missouri, December 23–24. Antonio Martin is shot to death by police in a St. Louis suburb nearby to Ferguson, leading to violent conflict with police, and looting.

• 2015 – 2015 Baltimore protests, April 25–28. Days of protests break out following the death of Freddie Gray while in police custody. 34 people are arrested and 15 Officers injured after rioting and looting break out. Gray's funeral was held on April 27 and followed by further protests and looting. Governor Hogan had preemptively activated the Maryland National Guard, while the Maryland State Police had activated at least 500 officers.

• 2015 – St. Louis, Missouri, August 19. Conflict with police following fatal shooting by St. Louis police officers of black teenager Mansur Ball-Bey leads to deployment of tear gas then burned car, buildings, and looting. Protests continue in subsequent days with tensions remaining high.

• 2016 – Occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, January–February 2016. 1 killed and several dozen arrested. Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, Oregon

• 2016 – 2016 Donald Trump Chicago rally protest, March 11. Five people arrested and two police officers injured during a demonstration at the UIC Pavilion.

• 2016 – Democracy Spring rally in April. March to Washington D.C. and sit-ins lead to arrests.

• 2016 – 2016 Sacramento riot, June 26, A confrontation between white nationalists and left-wing counter protesters at the California State Capitol. Ten people were hospitalized for stabbing and laceration wounds.

• 2016 – Widespread protests erupt in response to two deaths at the hands of police, the Shooting of Alton Sterling and shooting of Philando Castile. At least 261 people were arrested in protests in New York City, Chicago, St. Paul, Baton Rouge, and other cities.

• 2016 – 2016 Milwaukee riots, Sherman Park, August 13–15. Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

• 2016 – 2016 Charlotte riot, September 20–21, Protests and riots break out in response to the shooting of Keith Lamont Scott by a Charlotte police officer.

• 2016 – Dakota Access Pipeline protests, 411 protesters arrested. Multiple skirmishes with police, with vehicles, hay bales, and tires set on fire.

• 2016 – Anti-Trump protests, November 9–27. As a result of Donald Trump elected as 45th President of the U.S., thousands protested across twenty-five American cities, and unrest broke out in downtown Oakland, California, and Portland, Oregon. In Oakland, over 40 fires started and police officers were injured.

 

On this we can certainly agree.
I'm a great believer in associate degrees.
I also like the idea of free or reduced cost for community college to give the student some time to grow into a career.

 

Right!? Why can't we all get along and show the civility and decency as demonstrated by the man who holds the office of the Potus?

Pfffffft!

 

What an absurd load of red-baiting tripe. Biden has just named Janet Yellen his Treasury Secretary. That means that like Obama he will be a servant of Wall Street and the banks, and will not hesitate to sacrifice the American economy and people to the narrow financial interests of rich, greedy, privileged parasites.

 

Regrettably, you may find far more purveyors of the kind of verbal grenades you bring up than those willing to engage in honest discussion of it here. But I will try to answer as best I can.

I suspect the polarization of the electorate for each party has been significantly influenced by the media they consume. On the right you have the likes of Limbaugh, Levin, and Hannity all competing to be the voice of conservatism. Their cause assisted over time by the rise of Fox News has enabled the fabrication of controversies (the War on Christmas, birtherism, creationism, anti-vaxxers, etc). This has given way to identity politics. The Swamp. The Deep State. The Radical Socialists. The others outside our group that we are in an existential fight with to save the nation.

The left has been trending in a similarly disturbing direction, though not nearly as rapidly. The left has its Lawrence O'donnells and Racheal Maddows, though their partisan influence is not what their counterparts on the right is. Despite the overt partisanship of pundits on MSNBC and CNN, there is as of yet still a much larger portion on the left not wholly cut off into into liberal echo chambers. This has somewhat tempered the advance toward partisanship, despite the more overt and obnoxious identity politics of screeching "White Nationalists", "Facists", "Racists" at those across the aisle.

Probably there are other factors beyond this. Though partisan hatred has been growing for at least a couple decades, as noted in Prius or Pickup:

 

I'll take Janet over Steve, no problem....

 

Thus proving that business is evil.

 

That's like preferring a heart attack to a stroke.