Liberals won't allow Trump's defeat to be the end of his name heard around the world.

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  1. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

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    It's amazing. For as much as Liberals say the Trumptards or the Trumpsters were batting for orange man bad, you have to actually examine that on a deeper microscopic level. Because you'd think with his defeat, he'd lose more and more support(as is the case for all other ex candidates.)

    But Liberals won't shut up about it. Even as they note the court challenges are failing at a nearly unanimous rate, they still won't let the transition process handle itself gracefully. Why is this? Well, that's due to their political resume, or lack thereof.

    The last thing Liberals want any of their comrades to notice is that from 2016-2020, they'd done about jackshit for America. And now, they're in prime position to do something. They're inheriting basically the same scenario the GOP did in 2016.

    If the DNC follows in the same pattern and does nothing, 2022 could see the House return to conservative hands. Especially if the country moves on from TDS and critically examines the Democratic Party's platform and accomplishments.

    So the Democrats need Trump, not so much Trump the President but they need Trump the person, to detract and deflect from their policy failures. Democrats are hoping to copy off part of the Obama years, where they blamed Bush for everything.(and had Obama not stepped into the disaster that was/is the Affordable Care Act, he might've very well had a better mid terms.)

    The problem is, Obama was generally well-liked, and Biden simply "isn't Trump", that doesn't give political cover to Biden though and it's not going to last even as long as the 2 years of the mid-terms. The Democrats need a political win and fast in the early 100 days of 2021.
     
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    I would consider it an honour and a privilege to ignore Trump as ancient history, and put everything at Biden's feet. Just as was done to Trump from day one.

    Remember that they said it was super important to avoid blaming Obama for anything once Trump took office? We must do as asked. Never blame the previous incumbent for anything!
     
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    So far so good. Yes Trump is getting smaller in the rearview mirror.

    And now you lost it. Who is it that denied a transition to start?

    2017.
    Let me think who was in power for the last 4 years? Oh yeah, some guy named Trump.
    The guy who left us a failed economy and a raging pandemic while he plays golf.


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    I can almost guarantee you you won't like Biden's first 100 days. But I will. :)
     
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    Trump name heard and mocked around the world.
     
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    Melb_muser Well-Known Member Donor

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    There's a bit more fun to be had...
     
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    They have a very tough shot of keeping the house in this midterm just based off history.

    If all they can do is blame Trump for two years it is bye bye congress for them which means Beijing is out of commission and more than likely impeached.
     
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    Impeached?
    Come on. Lets have some original thinking. :)
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Definitely.

    You don't think we would take the house and not do it do you?
     
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    Do it? Odd choice of words.

    It's not a reality TV show. You don't get a bunch of people on your side and decide, "You're fired!"

    It's a bit more nuanced than that. Can't say I blame you though. Thinking governance should be no better than reality TV is why people voted for him. It didn't work out well.
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's what the democrats did.
     
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    Sounds like a '60s Psychedelic Folk Rock song. Country Joe?

    ETA: Dammit. That's not it. Vince Gill.

     
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    It's gonna be hard to remove him from office when they will basely have a marjority in the senate, let alone enough for the 2/3 vote to convict.

    And the thing is, if they do just impeach him for no reason (whether you agree with impeaching Ttump or not, they at least had valid reasons, supported by a whistleblower and hours of testimony by members of Trump's own staff) they will likely anger indies and moderates. They are gonna have to at least find some crime that Biden committed which would justify impeachment (for example, Trump tried to blackmail a foreign leader into hemping him in the election)
     
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    Only if you want a more liberal Harris to be President. Is that really what you want?
     
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    Don't care about removing just impeaching just like the democrats did.

    And finding a reason is as hard as a cop finding a reason to pull you over lol.
     
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    Sure, why not?

    That's like arguing the difference between poop and crap.
     
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    In Biden's five decade career in public service, Trump couldn't pin a single thing on him. And now that he's president, you think Republican House members are gonna pin something on him? Who? Matt "we're gonna see what's goin' on" Gaetz? What are you gonna pull Biden over for? DUI? Lol.
     
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    You know as well as I do that anything can be a reason.

    Doesn't matter as long as it interferes with his presidency and teaches the liberals not to do stupid impeachments.
     
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    Trump blamed everything on Obama, so did others

    8 years later and the right is still attacking Obama, they can't get over that fact that he was a decent President - and their side has Bush and Trump

    in fact, the right was trying to blame Obama for Trump's failures....sad!

     
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    "Especially if the country moves on from TDS and critically examines the Democratic Party's platform and accomplishments."

    will the right ever do that?
     
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    No, it can't. Apparently, you're the only one who thinks this. Impeachment requires a high crime or misdemeanor. That it has only happened three times (avoided once with resignation) is clear proof that you can't impeach a president for "anything."

    My god. We have more pressing issues than playing immature high school games. The lesson to be learned here is something very different, and it involves the Republican Party.
     
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    I expect and enjoy the leftie gloating. Good for them but I wonder just how many of them understand Biden is just trotting out all the retreads that were in the obama administration. So far, it appears Bidens "advisers" are corporate shills from big tech and not the far alt leftie "progressives" promised in pre-election promises made from joes basement.
    This will be a hoot. My daughter is applying for a $50,000 college loan for grandson #1 in anticipation of joe making good on his promise of loan forgiveness for college students. My second grandson, being a senior in high school, will be looking forward to free college tuition following his graduation.
    Overall, this will be a very good start for our family knowing joe is on the side of the "little guy".
    So to all those rubbing their hands together with glee, four years President Trump gave us a near doubling of our non taxable Roth IRA's as well as 226 Federal judges that will do their level best to enforce the constitution on the United States.
    Well done Mr. President, time to move on and allow all joe's tax benefits for us little guys to kick in.
     
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    This is what happens when you get caught up in conspiratorial thinking. You cease processing information.

    Biden has never promised a far left agenda. Everyone here has repeatedly mentioned this, to no avail. Far-left is Trump's claim, and like everything else, it's a lie, and like all the lies, Trumpers believe them without question.

    Biden is a moderate. I hope your recognition of this helps others to see.
    Okay. Sounds like you're pro-Biden. Good for you.
     
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    The market rose over 80% while Obama was in office and unlike Trump, when Obama left office, unemployment was lower than when he entered office
    and he left Trump with 7 consecutive years of positive GDP.

    I know Trump fans like to pretend that 2020 never happened, and they only look at Trump's first three years in office - but history won't be that kind.
    The reality is that Trump is leaving office with an economy that is worse than when he entered office.
    Trump's average GDP will be lower than Obama''s - which was poor. It is what it is.
     
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    Yes indeed.
    Already there will be 2 people smarter than they would have been under Trump.
    Not to mention 2 more Dems.
     
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    Thanks to China's attack on the international community(China handled its 2003 pandemic with respect to the international community, as opposed to abandoning the 2020 international community), what is the difference in these 17 years? Trump's antagonism towards China, which should be our antagonism with China.

    China, as a human rights violator, violated the rights of over millions of people on a large international scale. China must pay a price for the virus it unleashed on the world, and that reality still exists in a post-Trump world. If China isn't held to any account, it will embolden them further.
     

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