Prepping for More Lockdowns? If You're in Florida or Texas, There's No Need

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  1. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Im not a fan of either party. When it comes down to it, Covid is a trial balloon for future abuse of power. If we put people out of work to avoid a 2% risk of death, we might as well have a king. Meanwhile, Newsom is eating out and his kids are going to school in person.

    If it pleases the crown, may I go for a walk?
     
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    apexofpurple Well-Known Member

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    Well when a greater amount of people think something should be done they'll empower someone who promise to make that happen. I've been remarking for a good while now that the GOP made the single greatest strategical mistake in American political history by being anti-mask and anti-shutdown. Health benefits aside being pro-mask would have cost the Republicans nothing and shutdowns where needed cost jobs but save lives and in the end life is more important than the dollar - I would have thought the pro-life party would have been out in front on this one. Either way the right's COVID attitude/response contributed greatly to the loss of the Presidency and it remains to be seen if that will be the only loss.
     
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    That is simply not true. To prove that point, you would have to show a significantly higher rate of infection among Republicans. Dem controlled districts with strict mask mandates and shut downs had high rates of infection. The trick is getting people to oppose abuse of power even when they agree with what is being done. That same power will always be used for something you oppose. If you support mask mandates and shut downs, don't complain when the government wants to send in the National Guard, tell us who to marry, or what a woman can do with her own body.
     
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    One of the bluest parts of Florida ---- South Florida (Miami Dade, Broward, Palm Beach counties) ---- was hit exponentially harder than the rest of the state, with something like 40% of our deaths in those three blue counties alone (whereas we have something like 70 counties total in the state of Florida.) This would blow holes in the "irresponsible Republicans in red areas spreading COVID" story, except the partisans conveniently never acknowledge it. Instead they try to attack Florida as a whole, and our Republican governor, while conveniently leaving out details like where the most cases were and how overwhelmingly Democrat that particular area is.
     
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    Does Florida have a mask mandate? I don't think so..
     
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    The worst covid county had a mandate and additional closings from very early on.

    Oops.
     
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    Not being enforced.

    My BFF went to the beach last weekend, (Ft Lauderdale,) She left because of no masks, no distancing, no sanitizer......

    And here we are.

    Stupid doesn't have a political party.
     
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    Outdoors in the sunshine?

    If I went to a beach and saw masks everywhere I'd leave because I'm visiting crazy town. I go to the beach 2x a week, only the extreme nuts (1%) are walking around with a mask on.
     
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    People are totally prepping for lockdowns here in FL. Shelves are bare of paper goods AGAIN!! Cleaners also tough to come by. Thanks Biden.
     
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    Enforce how? Fine people or send them to jail, like a police state? No thanks. Go live in China if you enjoy a totalitarian regime running your life.

    And if you’re outside on a windy breach and 10 feet away from people you don’t understand science if you think a mask is doing anything. Better to stay locked in your basement. That’s a VERY different scenario compared to standing a few feet from someone in a grocery store or example.
     
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    Florida entered "phase 3" of the recovery in September, and hasn't had any enforceable mask mandates since that time either (meaning, you cannot fine someone for not wearing a mask) if I'm remembering correctly. And a mask at the beach? Are you serious??


    Oops! ;) You're correct of course. They were also behind the rest of the state as far as Governor DeSantis's reopening phases.
     
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    Enforce was the worst possible word I could have chosen, and not what I meant. I understand about masks, and circulation, and viral load. Sure. I meant personal responsibility; the people aren't doing the the things.

    No basement, BTW.

    Non ON the beach, Libby. We're talking about standing room only restaurants, INSIDE, at the beach.
     
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    Toilet paper and paper towels cleaned out in 24 hours, it was weird.

    I think northern states stole the inventory, but who knows. I grabbed the obligatory 24 mega rolls and moved on.
     
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    People certainly didn’t start hoarding by accident. When a candidate says he supports mandated shutdowns WTF do people expect? It’s irresponsible and evil to purposely destroy businesses and create fear for absolutely no reason.
     
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    My stockpile of items doesn't really extend beyond the recent splurge of TP. I have just a normal stash of food. Good for a.couple weeks max. If stores are shut down or supplies stop I'll just join the purge. All I need is a mask or cardboard sign with the appropriate words on it and I can do whatever the hell I want.
     
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    We still have our Hurricane stash. But any real food shortage will doom is all. Except those living off the grid in the mountains.
     
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    I have not seen that, but then I do not shop often.
     
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    Not at all as the communicable nature of a virus, which doesn't consider political affiliation, will readily spread anywhere and everywhere it can. There is no definitive demarcation between Democrat and Republican because even in the most solid blue or solid red states/counties/cities you still find voters of the opposite isle and beyond that we're all intermixed by travel making such distinctions pointless.
     
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    Lets take just Miami-Dad county, arguably the bluest part of the state like you said. Even though it went to PE Biden and other Democrats were elected therein it still had 530,000+ Trump voters plus IIRC 5-8% of the working population of the county commutes from nearby counties, half of which are red. I don't know how many people that works out to exactly but its not insignificant. Furthermore these areas are quite densely packed compared to suburban and rural areas which are typically red making transmission more ubiquitous. Point is you cant accurately measure infection such as you're suggesting.
     
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    It’s bad again in my areas of S FL. Everyone is stocking up in fear again. And funny enough it’s a mostly Dem area. So you have to wonder. This meme sums it up perfectly.

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    This was exactly my point ---- that it is absurd to do things like attack "red state" COVID numbers, or "red state" governors, or politicize COVID red vs blue at all. I'm an Independent (I guess that makes me "purple" in the context of this conversation) and I never stopped working even during the shutdown, I've been all over the state since COVID started, I've also flown multiple times, and driven out of state even more, I've attended group functions and parties and bars, 4th of July, Labor Day, Biketoberfest, Halloween, and I'm currently at the Speedway for Turkey Rod ---- I'm still living my life and doing my best business wise in spite of COVID. I'm pragmatic about the whole thing I guess. I'm not going to live in fear of it, I'm going to be sanitary like I've always been, I figure wearing a mask is your own business, and I unequivocally do not want nor support another lockdown in Florida.
     
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    I agree and thats why is is not reasonable to blame the GOP or Trump.
     
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    I just traveled to Wichita KS from Texas for Thanksgiving. I spent the holiday with my daughter in law, granddaughter, and another military family. We stayed 4 nights in a hotel but spent the days with everybody at their house. I rocked their 4 week old baby to sleep 3 times, took everybody out to eat at Chili's, the girls went shopping and mani/pedis. I wore a mask one time when I went into a pharmacy for some Pepto and some feminine needs. My granddaughter loves me and it was a great trip.
     
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    I stocked up on TP and paper goods over the Summer, when all was plentiful. I stocked up on ammo, canned goods, and anything else that I think may go into short supply.

    Free TP tip: If you buy an industrial TP dispenser with the large rolls, they never seemed to be sold out. One roll holds several thousands of feet. Buy on Amazon and have it delivered to your door.
     
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    Well hold on now because the difference of the points being made in these last exchanges was between attitude/policy and population. To me its a very tough sell to point to a 'blue state/county/etc' and then say Democrats are the ones failing to contain COVID because we borrow that term from voter turnout which is never 100% one way or another. For example Libby referenced Miami-Dade which is agreed to be a 'blue county' but there were still ~530,000 Trump voters therein. I think blaming attitudes and policies, such as the GOPs anti-mask/shutdown mentality, is far more valid as such things influence all areas due to people who are perceptive to them living in all areas.
     
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