"Hospitals in half the states are facing a massive staffing shortage "

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  1. (original)late

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    After months of not listening, the Right is about to learn the price of stupidity.

    "Hospitals in at least 25 states are critically short of nurses, doctors, and other staff as coronavirus cases surge across the United States, according to the industry’s trade association and a tally conducted by STAT.

    What most worries hospital officials is that Covid-19 has not yet reached its peak. “What I’m scared of, leading up to the holidays, is what’s going to happen immediately after Thanksgiving,” said Hancock. “Then everyone gets into a crisis situation and there’s nobody who can go help.”

    Their only hope is for demand to decrease by people reducing Covid-19 transmission through quarantining and wearing masks, they said. After months of dealing with the crisis, she worries that some nurses will be so burned out they’ll quit, making the staffing shortage even worse."
    https://www.statnews.com/2020/11/19...-the-states-facing-massive-staffing-shortage/

    I've been saying for over a decade that the American health care system was headed for a meltdown. I think we could be looking at it, and soon.
     
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    Stop the fear mongering.....

    Trump’s most relevant info; “We have more cases because we’ve increased testing”

    In addition, we have the lowest Case Fatality Rate; 2.14%
     
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    Stat is by medical guys for medical guys.

    But enjoy the fantasy while you can.
     
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    :roflol:"the Right", yeah all their fault. Your article:

    "States that sent doctors and nurses to New York at the beginning of the pandemic now have no one to turn to as hospitals across the country experience the same problem."
     
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    I don't believe this at all.

    Hospitals have been complaining about "shortages" for decades, but it's really about the money. Hospitals are underpaying, and just want an excuse for more government subsidies to train their workers, more H1-B visas to bring in foreign workers, and to try to get more skilled workers in the workforce to have access to a bigger pool of skilled labor. Many hospitals refuse to even train new nurses or give them a chance fresh out of nursing school, so these brand new nurses have fewer options and may have to travel across the country to find their first job, usually being forced to live a very high cost of living city the first year or two, where they are working 60 hour weeks just to pay rent.
     
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    That's because hospitals were understaffed before. They don't have the money to hire more workers.

    The pandemic has made the financial situation even worse.

    See thread here:
    Hospitals shutting down, unable to stay financially afloat
     
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    It's amazing how the Left causes things, and then lays all the blame on the Right, because they don't (or don't want to) recognize how their own policies caused the problem.

    Click on that link and see the third post to see one example of this.
     
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    But aren't you forgetting a key factor here? Fully staffed/stocked or not our hospital system was clearly never going to be able to handle a pandemic. We are lucky beyond expression that COVID isn't as deadly as the Spanish Flu because. Main point aside, seriously, have you ever thought about how lucky we have been - its scary to think. But anyways after we get through this we can look at how we need to reform our hospital systems in order to do better on the next pandemic. However the near entirely of blame for the the staffing and supply problems of hospitals does not rest with them - its rests with us. We selfish ignorant Americans refused to unanimously do everything that was in our power to reduce their burden. This is on us, not them, we did this. We did this by not masking, we did this by not distancing, we did this by not staying home, we did this by not locking down, we did this, we did this, we did this, and we're still doing it. The fault is ours and we'll be judged for it.
     
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    We didn't cause the virus, or Trump's failure to fight it properly.

    The places that are getting hammered are mostly places that didn't fight it. Enough with the sleaze.
     
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    What you are missing is the obvious. Because of the failure, the demand far exceeds the supply. Which is precisely what you were warned about; and what you have seen before.
     
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    25% of staff are absent due to school closings. Some have to stay home with children.
     
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    Fewer cases in hospitals than at the peak. Lots of fear mongering.
     
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    Uneducated people think government can stop a virus.
     
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    Uneducated people don't know that SK got it same time we did, and did.

    Lots of countries did lots better than we did, because their leaders were competent..
     
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    Failure junkies are addicted to failure, they can't help it.
     
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    We did.

    You had Trump.
     
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    Do you have any evidence to site that the demand is drastically up that much?

    I mean for normal areas of hospital care that could normally be used in other areas.
     
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    In the article.

    Although your challenge is on the bizarre side, we've gone past 2K/day dead, and it keeps going higher.

    Shortages of everything have been in the news.

    More to the point, you can't outrun an exponential rate of change...
     
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    That doesn't mean there really are shortages. "The news" has been dishonest.

    I bet many of these shortages cited were caused by misguided hairbrained policies attempting to respond to the pandemic in the first place, or are the type of totally usual normal shortages, which the media is now disingenuously biasedly highlighting.

    That is another statistically meaningless figure, unless we actually know the cause.

    Show me overall increases in total population death rates, and that will be more convincing.

    Because right now they've been blaming many deaths on the virus when those people who died weren't that far away from death anyway.
     
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    Denial ...

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    It's not denial, it's severely questioning and being critical of the interpretation of facts by the source.

    The media has been behaving like a crooked lawyer who twists all the facts.
    Lawyers are adept at basically telling lies without technically lying.


    Show me evidence that the staffing shortage is caused by too many patients caused by the pandemic. Or do you expect us to simply assume that?

    How about we use a different word... Gullibility ...
     
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    So it's your stance that all the emergency room doctors and nurses are liars?
     
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    Your post is DOA.
     
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    Do you have any articles that cite doctors and nurses saying this?

    Seems like you didn't actually read that article very carefully.

    These articles are intentionally designed to make you think you read something that you did not actually read.
    It strongly implies things, but does not actually say it.
     
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    The CFR is low because we have increased testing though...
     

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