Pennsylvania judge halts election certification amid mail-in vote fight

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  1. doombug

    doombug Well-Known Member

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    LOL! Violating the Constitution is an excellent argument if one wants to get before the SCOTUS. Besides Sydney Powell is handling the fraud....
     
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    Every conspiracy is unproven until its proven.
     
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    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What violated the constitution ? This is yet another attempt to NOT count the vote

    Yeah Sydney Powell, shes a whole can of nuts
     
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    NOTHING "Violated the Constitution". Period.
     
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    It doesn't have to be 600,000 fake ballots, only the bare minimum. take Fulton County for example which had a voter turnout of about 510k. They had 808k registered voters. If you take the 70% rate at which Ossoff won Fulton, he comes close to beating the 50% benchmark. If taking those extra 300k ballots is too obvious because of a 100% voter turnout, add in some votes from Fulton County who reported 511/547k voters. Point is that the were votes were there to cheat and win the senate seat.

    Nope. All you would need to do is fill in the bubble for Ossoff and leave Biden blank. That way the margin between Biden and Trump doesn't change.

    Is this the same blue PA that Trump won in 2016 but voted for a democratic president in the 6 prior elections? Why didn't they cheat in 2016 too? If democrats cheated in Georgia, why has the SoS and republican senator conform no cheating occurred?
     
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    No one expected Trump to win in 2016. Duh This year they came prepared, illegally changed the election procedures in the state, the spike of 600,000 ballots in the middle of the night with Trump getting 0.5% (while he got at least 10-20 times higher percentage in any even the most progressive part of the country) is an absolute evidence of fraud.

    LOL, I actually believe you were not personally involved in the fraud, this is not a very bright suggestion :D. The idea that whopping 3% of the ballots would only have Ossoff selected and not the presidential candidate would be such an obvious and unquestionable indication of fraud that a 5 year old would be able to figure it out.

    Still FAIL, sorry.
     
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    It's a flawed legal argument. Deeply flawed, like so many of these cases. Like, for instance Trump v. Boockvar ("Frankenstein's monster", as the judge called it) where, after resignations, they're now on their fourth legal team and appealing to be allowed to introduce a third amended complaint in their ongoing effort come up with something halfways viable.

    In this case, there's a convenient misreading of Pennsylvania's Constitution, misrepresenting absentee voting provisions as restrictions, significant blind spots when it comes to other parts of the Constitution which demonstrate very clearly that a constitutional amendment is not required, plus a peculiar reliance, to "prove" its point, on case law that's not only ancient - dating back to the Civil War - but bears no relation to the case in hand.

    On top of this, it completely lacks standing.

    The Supreme Court of PA has jurisdiction over constitutional challenges to legislation, not the Commonwealth Court.
    180 days were allowed for challenges to Act 77 - that deadline was passed 7 months ago.
    Regardless, the doctrine of laches would apply, especially as there have been two elections before the general election.
    There are no particular injuries cited.
    In any event, any injuries could not be remedied as requested - disenfranchising millions of voters would not only fail to repair, it would be unconstitutional.

    Etc. etc.
     
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    So many fake conspiracy theories.
     
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    I can't wait for the threads to come out when batshit crazy Sidney Powell has her lawsuits laughed out of the Courts.
     
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    A wordy reply with no actual meaning. Is that a talent you developed or were you born with a talent for drafting wordy meaningless drivel? Laws are often challenged and overturned. There is no time limit on overturning unconstitutional laws.
     
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    Both Michigan and Pennsylvania's state constitution specifically state no votes received after 8 PM election night shall be counted.
     
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    Of course they can still attempt a challenge. And of course the points in my post have meaning. Or do you think jurisdiction, standing, the doctrine of laches, articles authorizing Act 77, etc., are irrelevant? LOL.
     
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    Most, like this one, are never proven.

    The idea of electoral fraud on a scale that affected the outcome of the election is just a hoax.
     
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    None of your arguments are based on real argument other than "is not" which is a third grade argument. They have standing and it's not an unreasonable delay or the judge would not have halted the certification.
     
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    The Pennsylvania constitution does not override the US constitution which specifically gives authority to the state legislature to make the rules.
     
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    States have authority to pass laws and make amendments to their constitutions as long as the laws or constitutions aren't in conflict with the US Constitution or the state constitution. A state constitution can't be in violation or conflict with the US Constitution. That is why we have the "Supremacy Clause". You should read it. The US Constitution and federal laws trump state laws and state constitution.
     
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    And in Pennsylvania, they were all held back, and NOT counted. So what’s the issue here ?

    And thats not really what they say, but you wont hear that on OAN.
     
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    The first rule of conspiracy theories is to ignore the facts
     
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    Meanwhile, mean ol' reality has once more invaded the SafeSpace of the Trump cult. The halt of certification was quickly stayed, and the certification process marches to its conclusion. The lawsuit getting laughed out of court will follow shortly, and that will be followed by Trump cultists slithering even deeper down into the conspiracy rabbit hole.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...01c3aa-2f41-11eb-860d-f7999599cbc2_story.html
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    On Wednesday morning, Commonwealth Court Judge Patricia A. McCullough, who was elected as a Republican in 2009, placed a hold on the certification process for down-ballot races pending an evidentiary hearing. State officials appealed to the Pennsylvania Supreme Court later Wednesday, which triggered an automatic stay of McCullough’s order. They then asked the state high court to step in and dismiss the case altogether.

    “The Commonwealth Court’s Order threatens to disrupt the certification of every race in the 2020 general election; foreclose the seating of elected representatives; indefinitely postpone the December 1 start of the General Assembly’s term; undermine the will of the voters; and cast a wholly unwarranted cloud over Pennsylvania’s election results,” lawyers for the state wrote in a filing.

    Legal experts said it was unlikely that judges assigned to the case would ultimately grant a request to change the rules of an election after the fact in a way that disenfranchises millions of people.
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    Today is the day after Thanksgiving, November 27th, the year of our Lord 2020 and PA has still certified Biden winning the State.

    Just thought I would post reality into this thread.
     
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    No idea what you mean by "is not".

    The judge has halted (though moot) pending an evidentiary hearing, today as it happens. Delay will properly factor into consideration if the case progresses to merits, and significantly so, as it bears on the credibility of alleged harm. And again, it's astonishing that you think jurisdiction, standing, the PA constitution etc. are not "real arguments". Not only are they utterly relevant, they are the actual (real) arguments being used by the Commonwealth, Brookvar et al.
     
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    Resist the Pretender! Perhaps we will find a Judge or so that will rule IAW the law..Maybe
     
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    I believe this is the same case that a trump appointed appeals judge just rejected as being without merit lol
     
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    It is, but don't tell the Trump supporters. I enjoy these conspiracy threads. They give me a chuckle.
     
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    Philadelphia Judge appointed by Dirty Donald threw his appeal out of court in Philadelphia today, telling his attorney's that VOTERS DECIDE ELECTIONS,NOT LAWYERS.
     
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