Why are there only fraud claims in the states Trump lost?

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  1. Thingamabob

    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes. It's so obvious it makes you wonder why anyone would ask such a stupid question.
     
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    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It sounds to me like you're defending Trump's increasingly surly and childlike behavior in not conceding that he lost this election.
     
  3. Thingamabob

    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I repeat.
    "I didn't make the videos and I own no dog in this race. I have no personal investment in it nor will the issue have any direct effect upon me … no matter who wins the election."

    I am defending DEMOCRACY. If it were Trump who's committing voter fraud I would be posting proof of it but as it stands it is Biden who is committing fraud, so ....... duh ... I am providing links that prove it. Read the affidavits that are available:

     
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    Did he lose the election or did Biden cheat? That is what we are trying to figure out.
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Exactly.
     
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    On an individual level? Sure. I believe it. I'd guess most people here believe/acknowledge it. And it likely has always been the case.

    So when 150 million people go to vote - there's a bit of fraud/cheat/errors in the counts on each side.

    Joe Schmow was one of the counters in Alabama. At one point, he had a pile of 200 votes that were 100 each - but he counted 105 for Trump and 95 for Biden.
    And John Skim did the same in NY, but in reverse.
    And Trent Brags is dead in California - but he registered a vote.
    And Karen Smails is living in Arizona and voted there - but also registered a vote in Michigan.
    etc.

    There aren't 100 people voting. It's 150 million votes. That's a staggering number. There are irregularities that happen all the time. Sometimes it's just errors, sometimes it's individual voters trying to cheat, sometimes it's maybe even a 'counter' trying to pass a quick one by putting a few votes the other way.

    But that goes both ways. Has always been present, and is almost impossible to get rid of 100%. Does that mean we should ignore it? No, probably not. Let's spend the next few years as much as possible trying to improve the system and checks as much as possible to get such errors down to 0% across everywhere.

    But this isn't fraud. This isn't fraud by Biden's team. And this certainly didn't happen enough in large enough numbers to change the result of the election - which is a landslide win for Biden. In none of the states Trump is disputing is he close enough for any of this to make a difference.

    Trump's PR is a nightmare. He comes across as an egotistical self-serving dictator who only cares about himself. And don't just shrug away my comment as a Trump hater - this is coming from someone whose been more pro-Trump/republican than against them the past 4 years. Let me explain what I mean about PR.

    On the/night of election - he was having a press conference that said (i'm paraphrasing): "Stop the count in PA! I won, don't count more ballots!...." but at same time, he also said.... "But keep counting in Arizona!! We're close and going to come from behind!".

    WTF? You either stop counting ballots because you think there's an issue and want to check - or you don't, and want every ballot counted. You don't just ask to count where you're losing and stop where you're winning lol - a three year old can see though that BS. ie - he doesn't care about the integrity of votes, he doesn't care about supposed fraud, he doesn't care about democracy being applied and voted on the right away. PR-wise that should have been his spin. And he should be saying today "let's do reforms in all states, let's look at irregularities in all states". At least then he might come across as a tiny bit believable in caring in the voting system.

    But he doesn't care about it. All he cares about is his own self-interests. And creating conspiracy fraud theories where they don't exist.

    Sticking to the PR theme. Why does he keep saying "I won by a lot". Huh"? Isn't his whole spiel that there are irregularities in counting - and therefore proper counts should happen to determine who won? How can he know he won? He of course doesn't - he's just spouting off like a 2-bit 3rd world dictator about to lose control. And it's pathetic.

    See comments above.

    You either care about voting irregularities (as he's trying to pretend he does) - or you don't. Clearly - he doesn't give a ****.

    Biden did not cheat. That's so ignorant an opinion lol. There was no cheating from the top. Simply didn't happen.

    You want to know why Biden didn't cheat? If there was truly a conspiracy from the top to cheat - do you have any idea how many people would have had to be involved? They'd have had to have people cheating in at least 20 states (Nevada isn't even a top ~10-15 most likely state to be disputed ahead of the fact, why why they target it?) to cover all their bases. Do you have any idea how many people it would take to launch such a fraud? In every important county/state? Thousands of people?

    Trump is a billionaire. Republicans have a ton of money. All those thousands of people involved in this conspiracy - they're one phone call away from becoming a multi-millionaire whistleblower if they had proof of fraud. No one has come forth.
     
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    Trump lost. Biden won fair and square. Trump's lawyers have tried to find evidence of fraud, but came up empty, to the point where all of his lawyers quit working for him except for the loonies like Rudy.
     
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    I have no problem with that

    I used to invite the Schmow's, the Skim's, the Brags', and the Smail's over for dinner on Christmas but Trent died and I found out the others cheated at the voting stations so I told them they can be friends with you but that I want nothing more to do with them. Did they contact you?

    I am not offering my personal opinion. I am linking sources that disagree with what you've just said and if they are right then I will offer my opinion and disagree with you too.
     
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    Actually you're right. ... the electoral college is responsible for MASSIVE disenfranchisement. How? Here's how.... all but 2 states are "winner take all" states and they assign ALL their electoral votes to the state's winner of the election. So if Biden gets 51% of the popular vote in such a state, their electors ALL must vote for Biden. So all the voters who voted for someone else are not represented. Their vote is ignored. Their vote may as well be thrown in the trash. So this means that in this election, approximately 48% of voters were ignored by their state's electoral college.
     
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    That BS ranks right up there with the fake narrative that President called the Coronavirus a hoax and that Biden did not call President Trump a xenophobe when he announced the Travel ban against those traveling from China. Neither of those statements are true, and neither is yours.

    I am providing you a link to the transcript of President Trump's speech made on election night. You can see for yourself, at no point did he tell any state to stop counting. To claim otherwise, even as a supposed paraphrase, is a ridiculous false narrative. The statements that you are trying to twist is found between (3:14) and (5:26). President Trump said:

    Let's put those statements into context. At the time that the President was speaking, he was well ahead by a large enough margin that it had the appearance of a landslide victory for him. Take his statement on Pennsylvania as an example. They had 64% of the ballots counted, and President Trump was ahead by 690,000 votes. Yet, somehow, in many states, the leads changed in the middle of the night while no one was watching. That is where you should be asking "Whisky Tango Foxtrot?" But then you are a typical Democrat. You claim sins of the GOP while ignoring the sins of the DNC. Even when the supposed sins of the of the GOP are actions that mirrored actions by Democrats. Questions: Did you complain about President Trump reallocating funds to pay for the border wall? Did you complain about Obama passing three laws by EO just because the legislature would not do what he wanted?

    Take a look at what happened in Fulton County Georgia and Wayne County Michigan as examples of possible election fraud. In Fulton County Georgia, the Election Supervisor announced that they were going to shutdown at 10:30pm on election night. As a result, the media and election observers went home. Then selected counters stayed until 2 am on the 4th. Like many other states, Georgia's lead for President Trump dropped seriously during those hours.
    In Wayne county Michigan, there was a 72% discrepancy of ballots recieved to the number counted on election night. When the GOP of the Canvassing board refused to certify the elections because of the grievous mistake until they were promised that the state would do an audit. The Michigan SOS then refused to honor that commitment. Makes you wonder, WHY?

    BTW, to claim that this proves that President is a 3rd world dictator is equally ridiculous. First, a 3rd world dictator would have rigged the elections himself, and then would have fought any recount attempt. So, in this case, it is DNC that is acting dictatorial. Further, the claim that President Trump is a dictator, is to ignore the actions taken by former President Obama such as the example that I gave you in this post.
     
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    Trump tweets 'stop the count' as legal vote counting continues
     
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    There was no counting anywhere with no one watching - that is pure made up fiction that just keeps getting retweeted

    As for PA. When 64% of the votes were counted; and I'll take the word of the conspiracy believers, Trump was up 690K, which means that 2.5million votes were left. Since the mass majority of those were mail in ballots and 65% of those were retuned by Dems, let's assume that 65% of the votes went to Biden

    65% x 2.5 m = 1,625,000
    2,500.000-1,625,000 = 875K for Trump

    1,625,000 - 875,000 = 750,000

    That would give Biden a 60k lead as 750K is 60K greater than 690K

    He won by 80K
    Math is your friend
     
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    Joe Biden hardly bothering to campaign does tend to make people somewhat suspicious....... doesn't it???????

    Could it be that some brilliant computer people showed him how successful their program was at eliminating Bernie.... that he was not worried about winning against President Trump?
     
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    Only to those not running a thought past their ears, and to the losers.

    What's Trump's big criticism of Joe Biden? That he's a career politician. 47 years...blah...blah...blah. Well duh! Biden was the friggen VP for 8 years. Everybody already knows him. He doesn't need to campaign like someone not as well known. Did you see Jim Clyburn's speech? If not, I suggest you do. It should explain things to you. Watch the whole thing, but pay attention to the part where Clyburn says, “I know Joe...we know Joe...but most importantly, Joe knows us.”

    Additionally, campaigning isn't limited to live rallies. If we compare conventions, the DNC spanked the RNC. The internet played a big role. There was no comparison between DNC and RNC ads. Trump ads were barely noticeable.

    There's plenty more to toss around your noggin, but that's enough to quell your suspicions.

    Or maybe it's Kevin Spacey in K-PAX. Or could it be that I'm typing this from K-PAX, and I have the codes. Bwahaaaaaaa
     
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    I had assumed that it was Matthew Broderick from War Games. If he can hack into access to nukes, the election had to be child's play
     
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    Hey, elect a TV personality, get a TV personality government. Some of our friends here could be budding screenwriters. If not, they should.

    I didn't see War Games. Love Broderick; I'll have to put it on my Netflix queue.

    I think Trump's next movie features Gerard Butler and Morgan Freeman.

    Mar-a-lago Has Fallen!
     
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    Perhaps you've read Powell's Complaint by now. Yes? No?
    https://defendingtherepublic.org/wp...1/COMPLAINT-CJ-PEARSON-V.-KEMP-11.25.2020.pdf
    Did it sound like a description of "irregularities things that happen in every single election"?
     
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    Actually, it does. At least in the states doing the counting.

    You see. Almost every state in the union ( and ALL of the states that Trump is contesting ) has state laws that require the electors to vote the will of the people.

    Unless your suggesting that electors break the state laws, which were also the will of the people?
     
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    That's a pretty convenient explanation. You can call fraud, but not have to prove it.
     
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    the popular vote shows us who most Americans voted for, may not be important to you, but it does mean something to many
     
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    Yeah, I've been talking about Ohio and Florida, that went the exact opposite way, due to the order the ballots were counted.

    I'm so disgusted with the whole thing. Where are we? 54 days? Can't come soon enough.
     
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    He's 78 years old....you really think he'd risk going to prison and his whole legacy/family/children's legacy to order a fraud at that level? That's Hollywood worthy conspiracy theories. No chance whatsoever that happened.

    Do you know how many people would have had to be involved to launch a fraud of that scale? Why hasn't there been a single whistleblower come forth? You do realize that whistleblower would get paid billions if he wanted to, if there was any truth to that.

    I don't know if Biden hardly campaigned or not - but I do believe at least ~80% of votes (and I could say 90% to be honest) were based on Trump. People either voted for him, or against him. Biden is a pretty safe and un-controversial nominee. I think Clinton had a lot of issues 4 years ago - Biden was the lesser of all evils this year, and that's how he won the democratic nomination, and eventually the presidency. Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing for Biden depends on your viewpoint I guess. Personally I like that he seems to be a lot more moderate than other democrats or republicans alike, but we'll see how it turns out.

    Coming back to the fraud....just no. It didn't happen lol. No chance. For a whole bunch of reasons, many of which I stated in the OP.

    Irregularities doesn't mean fraud. If Joe Schmow whose responsible to count votes in 1 county in PA fubbed his count and gave +200 to democrats, that's absolutely illegal and hopefully it gets caught and corrected in a recount. But to me fraud isn't that - fraud is organized and directed efforts from the top, which didn't happen. I'm sure irregularities happen. I expect they happen every election. And I expect they happened on both sides.
     
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