Should Trump Be Prosecuted?

If you can find something that is worthy of prosecution, go for it.

they've investigated the Clintons for 25 years or so, and haven't succeeded.

Trump whines the first time at the bat of legal scrutiny.

 

I believe The National Review has lost it's sensible center, and if Buckley were still alive, that article would have not been printed. Maybe on the John Birch Society's blog, but not the NR. Those days are gone, forever, and without Buckley's rudder for the conservative movement, the right has drifted off the spectrum into la la land.

 

Notice the statement on the video picture. It's written by MSNBC liars. Like 93% of the population, I don't trust that media. No collusion. No evidence.

 

I can't agree with anything a seriously deranged and delusional person says, that wouldn't make any sense, would it? So it's both. It doesn't matter whether I agree or disagree with him, his mental defect is what it is (in his own words).

 

The statement on the video picture stated Trump was not cleared of obstruction. This is a true statement. It's consistent with the conclusion in volume II of the Mueller report:


Because we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment, we did not draw ultimate conclusions about the President 's conduct. The evidence we obtained about the President's actions and intent presents difficult issues that would need to be resolved if we were making a traditional prosecutorial judgment. At the same time, if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.


I'm stunned how confused manyTrump supporters are about this. The typical response is, "no collusion" (which was not investigated in the first place), as if that has any bearing on whether or not Trump committed obstruction of justice. Anyway, glad to have the opportunity to clear up your confusion. Your welcome.

 

I didn't read, I listened.

Listen again.

 

WHAT crimes and be specific why the dancing? And Cohen went to prison for his own crimes not Trumps, what specific crimes are you talking about?

 

Agreed. I do think any involved in Trump's circle of felonious infamy should be held accountable for their actions; quietly in the background, not through the press. What happens to Trump and how it happens is of no concern to me. I'd prefer that proceed in the background as well, but if it blows up in his face, so be it. I believe Biden's goal will be to keep Trump as far away from the American psyche as possible, but he will have a rabid press to deal with. I'm expecting Biden will be much more successful with the press, and we'll have a real press secretary to work with. Whatever happens, there will be people calling for his head for some time. As I see it, it's up to Trump. If he slinks off like Nixon did, maybe he'll be left alone.

 

any crimes he has been accused of, that there is evidence of that can be proved in court, should be tried in court

such as his stormy accusations that his lawyer did prison time over

Trump made a mistake not pardoning him, as now he has lost his loyalty, before that, his lawyer would of taken a bullet for him

 

They know better than to put her in jail because it would start a prosecution war between the parties.

 

Before putting her in jail, which I wouldn't necessarily mind, they need to prosecute her and find her guilty, if I'm not mistaken.

 

What crimes are those AND BE SPECIFIC, you made a statement of fact about him being prosecuted yet you can't name one thing for what and noting with him and Daniels was illegal Cohen's problems are his own and he has no credibility anyway.

 

the one where he was named as "Individual one" for starters

 

That's a circular argument he's not deranged or delusional just because you disagree with him.

 

Yeah he is a circular argument. The votes are rigged unless he wins. Joe Biden has to prove that all 80 million votes he received are legitimate before he can step into the White House. Who decided this? Yeah he did. But he doesn't have to prove that any of the votes he received are legitimate. Why? Because they're votes for him. But he won big anyway. And he won really big in all the swing states. How do we know this? Because he said so. The numbers you see everywhere? They're rigged, don't even pay attention. And he's doing great with his lawsuits, about 31 give or take that were dropped or tossed for lack of evidence or even lack of argument. The latest an appeal that the attorneys should have been embarrassed to even take on, never mind bring to the Appellate Court. There's fraud everywhere you go but somehow, when the courts ask for evidence, the crackerjack legal keystone kops keep forgetting to file it into the court docket. But all that massive and blatant evidence that everyone knows about is coming, real soon. And everyone knows there's fraud everywhere because he keeps reminding everyone, nearly every day for months prior to the election. And the virus is turning the corner, as it's been doing for months. Any minute now, it should disappear. Only the hospitals are bursting at the seams all over the US. There's a shortage of ICU beds and ventilators in many hospitals. But there are more cases only because there's more testing. There are less than 2 months left of this and who knows what kind of lunacy this thing will try in that time.

But the guy's not deranged or delusional and I should agree with him or else he's not deranged or delusional.

I'm not sure what threshold you've set for yourself to reach the level of deranged and delusional but that's ok, it's really not important to me. It's your constitutionally protected right to place all the above insanity well below that threshold for yourself. Enjoy.

 

the minute prosecuting trump will not harm the country, hell yes,

prosecute!!

 

If there evidence of a crime then yes.

 

Translation...
REEEEEEEE REEEEEE REEEEEEEE

 

Of course I do. He is far from the only person to plead guilty to a crime that he did not commit. Happens quite frequently by persons looking for better overall treatment from the prosecutor. It is perfectly legal and, while not necessarily condoned, completely acceptable to the court.

 

There is nothing illegal or untoward about non disclosure agreements. Happens all the time. Just as defendants settling civil lawsuits by paying money to the plaintiff so the plaintiff will drop the case and not pursue (or even talk about) any guilt or innocence happens all the time. There is no solid evidence that Trump did what you claim, but in any case the money payment had nothing to do with that. The money payment was for a non disclosure agreement which is perfectly proper and does not violate any campaign finance law or any other law. Cohen's showmanship over it is just that, showmanship looking for better treatment. Stormy sued Trump to get out of the NDA and ended up getting admonished by the court for essentially filing an unsupported and frivolous suit, and ordered to pay Trump about $500,000 for her effort and his expenses.

The SDNY dropped the case because they knew perfectly well there was no case, but they could not drop the case until Cohen's trial and sentencing was over. The same reason they insisted the Cohen's sentence be combined for all of his guilty findings so that the sentence or fine for his guilty plea to this non-crime would not be independently shown. There is no justification whatsoever or reason to think that the SDNY would cower before Trump.

 

Trumpleton's do themselves no favors in trying to distance themselves from being associated with cult-like beliefs when they look squarely at irrefutable facts and steadfastly refuse to acknowledge them.

There are laws governing how campaign financing is done. Cohen broke at least one. He confessed to breaking the law while being represented by competent legal counsel. Pretending he confessed to breaking a law he did not break, in order to claim Trump is innocent of breaking the law by ordering Cohen to commit a crime, is the most transparent form of denial I can imagine.

 

Trump knows full well that he isn't going to turn electors. He also knows full well he can't flip the states to win. By the way a new poll came out for the GOP nominee in 2024. Trump is at 53%, Pence is at 12%, Trump Jr is at 8%, and everyone else is at less than 5%. Trump will probably pardon himself, and he has a GOP Supreme Court to take out any challenges. 2024 will be Harris vs Trump.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/24/poll-republicans-support-trump-2024-439757

 

If Trump isn't incarcerated, perhaps. NY AG appears to be after him, and has been building a case.

We shall see what happens.

 

Biden has announced that he isn't going to go after Trump. The democrats have a clear interest in keeping Trump around. Trump can keep Republican unpopular enough to keep them from sweeping back into power. And Trump is probably going to pardon himself.

 

Couldn't any citizen or group of citizens sue him for federal crimes?
Anyway, I still think he will step down before Jan 20 and Pence will pardon him or he might even have the nerve to pardon himself ( how could he surprise anyone after these 4 years?)