The GOP vs We The People

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  1. Balto

    Balto Well-Known Member

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    If the post-election tantrum that has seared its way through people who claim to stand by the Constitution has proven anything, its that the GOP is not only against the Constitution, its against sheer will of We The People. While one Federal Judge already had to state the obvious that voters, not lawyers, vote for President, the GOP continues to be hellbent thar the choice of the people is somehow wrong, and they are out to prove it.

    In one court loss after another. With no actual widespread fraud yet proven in any of the states, just basement conspiracy theories, the GOP is continuing to show its real colors. Pages of alleged fraud, debunked from coast to coast. Republicans are demonstrating they are bot fans—let alone defenders, of the Constitution. This is not a leftist talking point, look at what your own party is doing. Attempts to overturn the results of a election, appealing after its already been ruled as unconstitutional, now you have a push by a GOP coalition of representatives in Pennsylvania trying to null the certification process, which the process was the exact same four years ago, except the party bring certified the winner was different. By the way, thanks for the recount request in Wisconsin Trump, Biden has even nore votes than you now.

    I still have yet to see a lawsuit by Trump in Florida, Ohio or North Carolina, don’t you?

    The Founders did not want kings, nor dictators, nor s monarchy. It should be terrifying to anyone who is witnessing a party doing anything they can to keep power. This will be what breaks another civil war out in this country. This is unpatriotic, this is toying with dictatorship, and it is pathetic. It is also not excusable.

    God help us should they try weaponizing the Electoral College, or SCOTUS.
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trump is President until the EC elects Biden. Until that happens, his administration has the legal right and imo duty to pursue any and all legal avenues to investigate allegations of fraud.

    This is precisely why the election is held in Nov and inaugeration isn't until January.
     
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    Balto Well-Known Member

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    All of which have lacked any substantial evidence whatsoever. What Trump doesn’t have the right, let alone duty to do, is sow distrust in the American people when it comes to our democracy. He can disagree with the election, he can challenge the results with lawsuits that have actual evidence, but what we are seeing is the classic tantrum a five year old would pull off.
     
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    and trying to bully legislatures to ignore their state votes. If you have such clear cut lawsuits, why would you need to do that..
     
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    Balto Well-Known Member

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    That’s what turns this from a president simply challenging election results to a president trying to act like a wannabe dictator. The more desperate this act becomes, the more it shows the GOP doesn’t care about the people exercising their voices.

    I don’t expect many responses to this thread, as Republicans already know they are guilty as original sin of what is written in the OP.
     
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    Agree 200% - but the cult is desperate for Trump to stay in charge and they will support whatever he does
     
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    Balto Well-Known Member

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    That cult is turning out to be a good chunk of the division in this country. It almost gets to the point of begging the question who is actually creating mote division in general? As far as I can tell, its the Trump cult.
     
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    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Let's review the last 4 years, shall we?

    Clinton loses to Trump. Immediately there are claims the Russians hacked voting machines and changed votes. Congressional hearings proved that claim not to be true. Then the left had their day of screaming at the sky while chanting Not My President. Then the calls for impeachment came. Through out the entire 4 years Clinton would tell anyone who would listen how easy it is to steal an election. And to your point about the electoral college and SCOTUS, the left wanted to do away with one and pack the other, did you forget that? Oh, and the left screamed about election integrity for the last 4 years but refuse to do anything to provide that integrity, mailing out ballots to EVERY PERSON IN THE STATE is a sure fire method for fraud as is allowing illegals to register to vote when they get their driver's licenses.

    With this election the left, as they almost always do, denied there was any fraud, that's why they say there's no need for voter IDs and it's safe to mail in ballots. Now even you admit there was fraud but that it wasn't widespread, so how much fraud was there? Unless you know, then your probable answer of 'not enough to change anything' is meaningless.
     
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    Dictator? Taking a legal path in an effort to make sure the election was valid is being a dictator? I would have said being a dictator is when you force people to buy a product they don't want or need or threatening to hold up funding if schools don't allow boys into girl's rooms.
     
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    PA did not mail out ballot to everyone on the state. I had to request and verify my identity (driver's license # and other info)

    Yet those votes are invalid because they were not for Trump as only Trump votes are legal
     
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    Yes, let's revisit the past four years. Normal people have seen in those four years Trump for what he is, and have predicted the post 2020 election shenanigans based on the assessment of his lack of character, integrity and maturity. Now, they have been proven right, and his enablers should be ashamed of themselves, especially the ones who are still standing with him.
     
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    What the GOP has devolved into is an embarrassment to this country.
     
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    I have voted republican many times in the past. After the 2000 election I said I would never vote Democratic again, but I eventually relented,

    It will be a long time before I vote for a republican for anything
     
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    It was there long before Trump.
     
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    There isn’t any fraud. To date. And the PA SCOTUS just threw out Trumps bid to throw out more votes. The difference Steve is our Intelligence Agency had reason to believe there was tampering in the elections by some foreign entity. They had reason to believe because there was evidence, a key difference between them and the Trump lawsuits now. Two years later, the Mueller Investigation confirms this to be true with the arrest of a Russian national for conspiracy against the US. Maybe something what come out of your side’s version of a Mueller Investigation, a lot can happen in two years, but thus far its unlikely. Why? The court losses and repeated findings by judges of no harm have already confirmed what the verdict of a House GOP investigation likely would be. Remember in 2016, seven electors went rogue as well. Faithless electors shouldn’t be heard, because that’s not their job going back two centuries now. To steal means to take away something forcibly, and the only party trying to do that is the GOP.

    Its partially this irony that makes this “Stop The Steal” movement so laughable.
     
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    What? The allegation of fraud? That is true. But did you see Republicans try to overturn the elections of 2008 or 2012? The GOP complains of voter fraud every election cycle and it always end up the same. Little to none ever found.

    When was the last time the GOP was so desperate to cling to power?
     
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    LOL! Let me drop.some knowledge here: The election laws were changed in key swing states because democrats sued and pushed for the changes. Courts do not have the authority to make such changes per the Constitution. Hence the votes cast according to these changes are illegal.

    Now, who respects the Constitution and plays by the rules? It is the Republicans of course.
     
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    Everyone knows many states extended the mail in ballot deadlines because of the virus.

    Which party is Ron DeSantis part of, the governor who called for electors to act faithlessly? What is clearly being demonstrated is the Republicans who have a conscience and speak up i.e Mitt Romney, Pat Toomey, Chuck Grassley vs the Republicsms who are addicted to power i.e Ted Cruz, Lindsey Graham.
     
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    I was going to argue with your use of "GOP" in the thread title. The post I'm quoting here illustrates the error.

    While there is no Republican wing in the Democrat party, there is a Democrat wing in the Republican party. We call them RINO's and have been trying to vote them out of office for over a decade. They are represented by Republican globalists you mentioned: Mitt Romney, Pat Toomey, Chuck Grassley. They are also represented by old-school GOP insiders, like the Lincoln Project players who don't mind advocating for a coup and organize to oust any political-outsider candidate, by any means necessary.

    The 74,000,000 of "we the people" who voted for Trump represent voters who used to be Republicans, Libertarians, Independents, Democrats, and Socialists (in descending order of prevalence). The common bond is wanting to ditch the corrupt RINO/DINO elite establishment oligarchy, which has not worked for "we the people" in over 30 years.

    It's laughable to think that re-installing a corrupt and uncaring establishment actually translates to "we the people" in any shape, manner or form.
     
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    Biden’s popular vote gap widened. Nearly 80 million people with no demonstrable fraud voted for Biden. That means Biden earned 5 million more votes than Trump vs Clinton only earning 3 million more votes. Who really did We The People want? We did not want a White House with an “Anything goes” mentality. You will see support grow fo Biden especially should the viruses impact lessen. Polling leading up to the election indicated voters were more comfortable with Biden than Trump handling the virus.

    People finally wanted decency back in the White House. The only people I see complaining now are Trump followers. .
     
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    There it is, a lesson in leftist hypocrisy.. Thank you ;)
     
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    If the DNC wanted "decency" in the White House, they would not have cheated Sanders again and boosted a puppet like Biden to the nomination.

    Democrat operatives cheated. The election was thrown.

    https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/18693929/1/19/king-v-whitmer/
     
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    As an American that should be instilled in their DNA already.. Anyone that thinks anything outside ones personal realm is honest and forthright
    is naive and out of touch with today political agenda and politician's.. Anyone that believe their party is any better then the other is a danger to them self and to this country health!
     
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    Well, but he's not. He's only investigating the allegations that might benefit HIM.

    Let me get the kids out of the room before you express your outrage for this dereliction of duty...

    ... ok. All clear. Go!
     
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    Poor feller, so desperate that you can’t even allow an investigation into election fraud which actually there is plenty of evidence.
     
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