Anomalies in Vote Counts and Their Effects on Election 2020

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  1. clennan

    clennan Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Precisely. Here's what Judge Kenny had to say about this in Constantino v Detroit:

    As part of the City’s preparation for the November 3rd election, Mr. Thomas invited challenger organizations and
    political parties to the TCF Center on October 29, 2020 to have a walk-through of the entire absent voter counting
    facility and process. None of plaintiff challenger affiants attended the session.......

    Plaintiffs rely on numerous [7] affidavits from election challengers who paint a picture of sinister fraudulent activities
    occurring both openly in the TCF Center and under the cloak of darkness.......

    Perhaps if Plaintiffs’ election challenger affiants had attended the October 29, 2020 walk-through of the TCF Center
    ballot counting location, questions and concerns could have been answered in advance of Election Day.

    Regrettably, they did not and, therefore, Plaintiffs’ affiants did not have a full understanding of the TCF absent ballot
    tabulation process. No formal challenges were filed. However, sinister, fraudulent motives were ascribed to the
    process and the City of Detroit. Plaintiffs’ interpretation of events is incorrect and not credible.

     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Or simply mistaken. I didn't hear many dems claiming that the election should be invalidated, unlike Trumpists, but anyone who did was either lying or mistaken. Same with Trumpists now.
     
  3. AFM

    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What are you afraid of? Support the process and clear up what you claim are easily explained irregularities.
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Mistaken for years after countless complaints? Sure thing.
     
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    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why did Detroit prevent Republican poll watchers from viewing each ballot and the envelopes they came in?
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    I support clarification. I don't buy the claim that you guys will accept the results even after that.
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Did they prevent ALL Republican poll watchers from observing? Where is your evidence of that?
     
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    Again, haven't heard from many making that mistake, but they are mistaken or lying if they are making it.

    Now that we are done with that distraction . . .
     
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    clennan Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's not a free pass to introducing speculative conclusions. The evidence must be factual.
     
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    What utter nonsense
    Supply side economics work as well as Trump's lawsuits about the election. There is no, NONE, nada, zip, zilch, evidence that that economic stance does nothing but make the rich richer and the poor poorer. All for me, none for you. Law and order? You mean continue the policy to shoot to kill unarmed black/brown men and praise 17 yr. old murders? That one. Border control.....Trump did nothing to improve that......at all. Fair trade? For who? What policy did Trump put through that did anything to improve fair trade? America first policies.....yeah, that's really working well. We're a laughing stock to the rest of the world. The only thing to let you deny that is we have a big stick.....with and insane person swinging it. Free speech.....we already have that. Trump's policies did nothing but promote the crazies to have a voice that unfortunately more people take seriously. Personal responsibility.......for what? I live in South Dakota where the "personal responsibility" mantra is doing nothing but getting people killed because of sheer stupidity cloaked in "freedom". People as a whole think only of themselves. If left to "personal responsibility" they could smoke where they want, drink and drive as the wish, we would not have speed limits and seat belts would be gone. Child seats......ya take ya chances. Second Amendment rights? Did I miss something? Was that amendment changed? No, I didn't think so but I would refer you to "personal responsibility". Merit based immigration policies......good luck with that. Funny how the Constitution doesn't really matter for your convivence. Sensible energy independence policies? Oh right, drilling and mining in national parks and protected lands is just fine. Oh, those regulations to protect workers......they only keep the rich from making a buck so get rid of them and don't look into alternatives because, you know, the wind doesn't always blow and you've seen the bird carcasses under windmills....not to mention how the cause cancer. Our allies do pay their "fair share". Trump (and you) have never been able to wrap your head around how it's supposed to work so there is no point in even trying (again) to explain it. Middle East peace agreements? None that will make one iota of difference but hey, he did get Israel to assassinat people. Probably got himself killed with that move when he leaves office. No unnecessary wars.....there's still time for that. Bring troops home? While the idea is good, there is a reason they are still there but, you know, if you praise Trump, damn the reasoning......tell me you love me. As for as the policies of the left.......give me a break. This is another example of the right f**ing everything up again as the have for the last 50 years and leaving it for the left to clean it up while the right goes unpunished for the havoc they have sowed and will continue to go about their business to do it again while wrapped in the flag and bringing nothing to the table (Example: where is their health care bill? Again, that must come under "personal responsibility".
    Your argument is nothing but empty air.
     
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    So concern with election integrity and documented problems are just a mistake all the way back to 2002. Fascinating.
     
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    It is factual. If it is possible to tamper with voting machines and if an outcome is very much improbable or statistically impossible that is circumstantial evidence that voting machines have been tampered with.
     
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    Any concern actually bolstered by evidence is a legitimate concern. I have yet to see any evidence backing up claims of massive voter fraud. From either side. I don't give two ****s what party you belong to. I care about evidence. You can keep trying to project your hypocrisy onto others all you want. Ain't gonna work.
     
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    It's an assumption. Not good enough for court. You need proof.
     
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    Clinton’s economic success was the result of supply side economics. Trump’s policies did more for the low income quintiles than any other income group.

    My arguments are completely valid.
     
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    Concern with imaginary voter fraud is worse than a mistake.
     
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    You know voting is confidential right? Poll watchers cannot view the ballot and the envelopes they come in for risk of identification.
     
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    For those uneducated about what is going on a little tidbit about the electronic voting machines and SmartMatic software.

    The software has a feature called weighted race rule. What that means is that one vote could be equal to 1.3 votes and the for the other candidate one vote could equal 0.7 votes.

    The vote count in the software is not saved as an integer. In other words, 1 vote, 2 votes, etc. The vote count is saved as a double or floating point, 1.00 vote, 2.00 votes.

    If weighting is applied the vote count if set for 1.3 would be 1.30 votes, 2.60 votes for one candidate and for the other candidate 0.70 votes, 1.40 votes.

    The weighted race rule was a documented feature of the software as early as 2002 and it has not been proven that it has been removed.
     
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    So where is your evidence for them operating this way and it leading to fraud?
     
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    What is supposed to happen is one democrat and one republican review the ballot envelope and if there is a question on identification or signature that ballot is set aside for review by a superior to decide if it is spoiled or not. That did not happen. In fact most of the pre-canvassing was done in back rooms with no observers. After complaining, one observer was allowed in for 5 minutes every 2 hours.
     
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    Evidence?
     
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    The more accurate question would be why would you save one vote as a floating point and have a documented feature that you can weight the vote.
     
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    State law on counting elections. Witnesses that witnessed what went on.
     
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    I'll try again: So where is your evidence for them operating this way and it leading to fraud?
     
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    How about democrat hypocrisy which I outlined? Oh yeah, forget about that.
     

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