Let's face the facts: Trump is not lying about election fraud

You mean allowing other countries to bend us over. You long for cheap Chinese products and shipping jobs overseas.

 

Nah, I just understand that trade isn't a zero sum game. Me and pretty much everyone else who has ever passed an econ class or has otherwise actually done their homework. There was a whole book about it written in 1776. Rhymes with Shmealth of Mations. I'll never understand the "right" and its newfound hatred of all things capitalist.

PS, the trade deficit has gotten worse under Trump, not better

 

Please cite the case or cases where:

1. The "hundreds of witnesses" were supported by evidence (if any).
2. The "hundreds of witnesses" alleged massive fraud.
3. The courts decided in favor of Trump that there was massive fraud based on the witnesses (and supporting evidence). Note witnesses are only as good as the supporting evidence. Affidavits by themselves without supporting evidence can only be considered hearsay and are generally worthless.

I have a Pacer account so please be specific (venue and case #) and I will look it up.

 

Oh look yet another absolutely meaningless bogus bumpersticker dismissal of reality. No logic or actual knowledge required.

 

How would you know. You refuse evidence.

 

Good question. After Biden is sworn in I hope he investigates the obviously high number of Trump votes that came in early on election night. No way that many people voted in person for Trump.

Pretty obvious Trump had his deep state repubs and DINOs stack the deck early on. They simply miscalculated how much cheating they needed and after the the legal mail in votes for Biden came in they realized their folly.

I suspect many Republican heads will role and Biden will declare an emergency action for the 2022 election and make it mail in vote only. He can take funds from the military like Trump did for his wall and Congress won't he able to do jack.

 

Wow, so clueless. Trump won in regular unimpeachable voting on Election Day. Biden won in secret ballot dumps in the early morning with no observers.

 

I'll take an honest fool over an evil genious.

FTR I think Trump is right that there is massive election fraud. I don't think he's going to be able to prove it because he seems utterly incapable of doing any reasearch or laying out any facts in a comprehensible manner. His gut instinct has served him well ...except that it has left him void of any objectivity. He's right, but he can't can't prove it now, and he's surrounded by folks who won't do it for him. Sadly, I can't do it for him either. I fear we've about used up the ballot box and the jury box.

 

Whatabout the scathing court decisions?

 

What makes you think that? Is it a hunch?

 

Fraud is a far more likely explanation of the vast 'irregularities.' Its either fraud, or we have a nationally pervasive pandemic of bureaucratic incompetence. And I believe its generally more wise to suspect fowl play than it is to presume coincidence in politics.

 

What do you consider the biggest irregularities? All the ones I've seen have been attributable to human error, and none have been very big. The only actual fraud that I've seen are a handful of cases where someone cast a ballot for a dead relative. Unfortunately, this happens all the time- I don't know why it hasn't been fixed. But again, it's a handful.

 

275,000 DEAD Americans and their families know EXACTLY how dangerous the egotistical INCOMPETENCE of YOUR biggest LOSER*-in-Chief actually is to their LIVES and HEALTH.

 

Missing USB drives for the voting machines and missing chain of custody documentation for the missing USB drives. The voting machines for which the USB drives and chain of custody documentation are missing are owned by the same company (with a new name) as they were when they were switching votes from Gore to Bush and later Stein to not Stein, both of which were the subject of substantial Dem/left outrage in their respective elections. The same machines that Canada refuses to use due to their lack of security and reliability. The same company (several name changes later) that was hired by Chavez specifically to rig elections.

I mean sure, our political establishment is pretty dumb and incompetent... but it can't be that dumb and incompetent, and even if it is, that level of total incompetence warrants suspicion of deliberate fraud.

The repeated attempts (some successful) of ousting poll watchers is also fairly suspicious. I know they like to blame 'social distancing enforcement', but thats 6 feet, not 50 feet or outside of the building.

 

I forgot one- the unfolded, perfectly bubbled ballots with the incorrect watermarks. Sure, maybe it was a bunch of very meticluous voters who were given incorrectly printed forms on which to correct spoiled ballots and were not provided a privacy envelope... but a bunch of last-minute computer printed forms is the far more likely answer.

 

That was already DEBUNKED as an ABSURD load of CONSPIRACY bovine excrement.

Next time I recommend that you do some RESEARCH first.

 

You got a link to this 'debunking'?

 

Onus is entirely on YOU to provide CREDIBLE nonpartisan sources to substantiate your conspiracy claptrap.

FTR it FAILS even the most cursory critical thinking scrutiny given that some states EMAILED out their ballots so voters could print them out at home.

 

Um, you already substantiated my claim by decreeing it debunked. So lets see the 'debunk'.

...unless you're suggesting a credible source went to the trouble to debunk something I 'must have' personally made up on PF in the last hour or so...

 

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Wrong!

EXPOSING your CONSPIRACY allegation is NOT any form of substantiation.

No, you were NOT the only member to post that bovine excrement. If you do a PF search you will discover other threads about it but they might have already been moved to the basement where the Conspiracy Forum resides.

 

So you are aware of the allegation previous to my mention of it, but are unwilling to provide the claimed 'debunk'.

Rgr.

 

YOUR abject FAILURE to substantiate your asinine CONSPIRACY only harms YOUR credibility, not mine!

 

If nothing else, Trump had good reason Democrats would try and steal the election due to their attempts to overturn the 2016 election from day 1. Nothing more obvious than that. Then enter in the fact Biden didn't even have a campaign. He knew there was another "insurance policy" to unseat the President. Joe's handlers knew that as long as he didn't make any major blunders, they would handle it!

 

"One witness reported that several batches of ballots were in “pristine” condition, and had an entirely different texture and feel to them.

“Most of the ballots had already been handled; they had been written on by people, and the edges were worn. They showed obvious use. However, one batch stood out. It was pristine. There was a difference in texture of the paper – it was [as] if they were intended for absentee use but had not been used for that purposes. There was a difference in the feel. These different ballots included a slight depressed pre-fold so they could be easily folded and unfolded for use in the scanning machines. There were no markings on the ballots to show where they had come from, or where they had been processed. These stood out. In my 20 years’ of experience in handling ballots, I observed that the markings for the candidates on these ballots were unusually uniform, perhaps even with a ballot-marking device. By my estimate in observing these ballots, approximately 98 percent constituted votes for Joseph Biden. I only observed two of these ballots as votes for President Donald J. Trump.”

Several other counters submitted affidavits as well. They offered similar testimonies: that the recount was disorganized, and that there were pristine ballots that looked as though they were filled out by machines."

https://tennesseestar.com/2020/11/2...elling-affidavits-ahead-of-emergency-hearing/

I tried search-engining this story with 'debunk' and 'fact check' but neither returned anything other than the original report. 'Susan Voyles' returns 0 results searching on PF, and 'pristine votes' returns one thread that does not mention any 'debunking' beyond the regular posters just calling it a 'conspiracy theory' without addressing Voyles' sworn affidavit at all.

So can you link to your debunk now? Or is your lack of an onus still preventing you from engaging in actual debate?

 

It doesn't, but it makes it understandable. Further, by our 'intelligence community'(using the word 'intelligence' to describe them is a misnomer at this point.) also jumping to these conclusions, it led to the political disruption(which then led) to the so-called obstructive moments. The intelligence community had an obligation to serve America, and in these last four years they failed completely, allowing intelligence leaks, etc.

Notice I didn't say 'serve Trump', I said serve America. You serve America by ensuring that it's chief executive officer(whoever it is) has all of the tools to prosper, least of which is the removal of any controversy where it's not warranted.

Their failure to do that, has led to this result. I hope that they don't fail to serve Biden in the same capacity.