Major Study Finds Masks Don’t Reduce COVID-19 Infection Rates <<MOD WARNING>>

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  1. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

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    Still no cite for your position?
     
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    ArmySoldier Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Which position are you asking to be cited? You've asked several times for sources (from me too) and we would love to see what items you need sources for.
     
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    ArmySoldier Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lol how many times does everyone on this thread need to ask you. What do you need sources for? lol!
     
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    Please demonstrate one more time how you don't understand that the null hypothesis needs to be rejected by those making the claim of difference
     
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    I’m interested in your claim your link addressed RCT’s on reduced incidence of infection.

    And I’m interested in why you are opposed to testing efficacy of masks for reducing incidence of disease when it’s already been done. The below quote makes no sense.
    Measuring droplets, aerosols and virons is nice, but it has quite limited relevance to actual reduction of infections in community settings. That’s why everyone is making the point none of your studies address the most important question. They do exist though for influenza and the meta analysis of them referenced in the Danish study concludes:

    To be clear again, I’m not anti mask. I’m just pointing out relevant information that is usually overlooked. I think we should examine all evidence when making decisions.
     
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    Are you one of those around here who thinks properly fitted N95 and better respirators are ineffective at lessening the risk of infection?

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  7. truth and justice

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    Did the study I provided a link to show that masks reduce the spread of any virus?
     
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  8. LangleyMan

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    You figure these folks are false positives?

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    And these were the people who wore N95 masks. Prove me wrong.
     
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    And here we have another study showing the benefits of wearing a face mask:

    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0029744
    Facemasks, Hand Hygiene, and Influenza among Young Adults: A Randomized Intervention Trial

    "At week 3 and onward, significantly reduced ILI rates were observed in the face mask and hand hygiene group compared to the control in adjusted models (see Table 3). The largest reduction was observed during week 6 with a 75% reduced ILI rate (adjusted RR = 0.25, [95% CI, 0.07 to 0.87]) among subjects in the face mask and hand hygiene group in adjusted models."

    "We examined the efficacy of face masks and hand hygiene for reducing the incidence of ILI and laboratory-confirmed influenza in an open, non-institutionalized population of young adults. Our findings show a significant reduction in the rate of ILI among participants randomized to the face mask and hand hygiene intervention during the latter half of the study period, ranging from 48% to 75% when compared to the control group"
     
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    Not unless Fauci tells them them they work.
    Fauci would not lie about something like that - right? ;-)
     
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    None of that addresses the issue. Nothing about reducing the spread of any viral disease.
     
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    "although results did not reach statistical significance."

    Relative rates are fun, no?
     
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    Read your article again.

    "Both intervention groups compared to the control showed cumulative reductions in rates of influenza over the study period, although results did not reach statistical significance."

    "Competing interests: Warner Lambert provided hand sanitizer without any involvement in the study design, analysis, results, or writing of the manuscript. This does not alter the authors' adherence to all the PLoS ONE policies on sharing data and materials.
    Introduction"
    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0029744
     
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    The search for "the modes of person-to-person transmission" continues.

    “Abstract

    There were 3 influenza pandemics in the 20th century, and there has been 1 so far in the 21st century. Local, national, and international health authorities regularly update their plans for mitigating the next influenza pandemic in light of the latest available evidence on the effectiveness of various control measures in reducing transmission. Here, we review the evidence base on the effectiveness of nonpharmaceutical personal protective measures and environmental hygiene measures in nonhealthcare settings and discuss their potential inclusion in pandemic plans. Although mechanistic studies support the potential effect of hand hygiene or face masks, evidence from 14 randomized controlled trials of these measures did not support a substantial effect on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza. We similarly found limited evidence on the effectiveness of improved hygiene and environmental cleaning. We identified several major knowledge gaps requiring further research, most fundamentally an improved characterization of the modes of person-to-person transmission.”
    Volume 26, Number 5—May 2020, Policy Review, Nonpharmaceutical Measures for Pandemic Influenza in Nonhealthcare Settings—Personal Protective and Environmental Measures, Jingyi Xiao1, Eunice Y. C. Shiu1, Huizhi Gao, Jessica Y. Wong, Min W. Fong, Sukhyun Ryu, and Benjamin J. Cowling, Author affiliations: University of Hong Kong, Hong Kong, China
    https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article
     
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    I’m the guy who’s called a purveyor of pseudoscience for encouraging people to wear masks where it may do the most good. I’m the guy around here who bases my posts and personal behavior on the best evidence available.

    A good respirator with appropriate filters and fitment worn and handled correctly would certainly protect the wearer. If there is an unfiltered exhalation valve they aren’t much good for source control.

    Staking you’re life/health and that of others on one device while ignoring other aspects of community viral spread is foolishness.
     
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    You will have to define “spread”. LOL
     
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    What are the percentages of 100% positives vs. 75 percent positives that end up being false positives?
     
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    You have repeatedly asked for me to "cite my claims" but you refuse to tell us what "claims" you want sources for. Are you still refusing to tell us what sources you need cited?
     
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    Perhaps you should direct that question to the person who used that word in their question? But you're getting there ;)
     
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    I’m discussing your posts specifically. Not some other third party.
     
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    I wear a surgical mask because it is more breathable than the N95 and more affective than a cloth one.
    Also, the idea of wearing a mask is to reduce the amount of exposure should I come into contact with an infected person.
    During winter, I tripled my vit D and C intake.
    And we also had the harshest lock-down... I'm from Melbourne.
    Hate to brag... not... but Australia beat the beast!
     
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    The viral disease is mostly spread by tiny water droplets that gets sprayed around when talking, singing... and obviously coughing. Anything that reduces the spread of droplets going from mouth A to mouth B helps. Hence social distancing, since them water droplets usually dont travel that far. Hence washing your hands to get them tiny droplets with viruses of your hand. And so... hence a cloth in front of your mouth as well.

    It's not a full 100% avoidance. It helps. And on a wider scale,... even if this helps to reduce this by 2% vs almost 230.000 people who died.... than you go argue that not wearing a simple piece of cloth in front of your mouth for just a couple of months of your entire life is not worth it to safe 5.000 American citizens. It's not as if you're serving the US army in Iraq.
     
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    In that case don't jump into the middle of the debate regarding that third party who posed the question that you refuse to comment on. The debate was not about diseases, it was about viruses. A mask clearly does reduce virus transmission.
     

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