On poverty

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  1. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    I'm a realist, just as there will always be crime, there will always be poor neighborhoods.

    the effort, therefore, just as it is to put a dent in crime, we can put a dent in poverty.

    There is only so much that be done, and what can be done, if conservatives will allow democrats to do it, is to do what can be done, and what can be one is making education more affordable, health care affordable, and social programs which, at best, add some relief to the misery of poverty.

    Also, what I think should be done is have a program going into the neighborhoods, community organizing, and teaching the poor that part of the problem is attitude. Sure, lack of access is the big problem, but one must also change one's attitude because without that 'can do' attitude, no social program is going to be worth a spit, for I believe there is some truth that poverty is both an inward and an outward phenomenon.
     
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    I'm surprised you take that attitude when, based on your posts, you lean left. They need a 'can do' attitude? Or is it boot-licking?

    Not everyone is equal in outcomes. We're not all equal, regardless of the feel-good message people like to say about how everyone is equal.

    Democrats like to say it takes a community to build a child. And, people need to experience their own life lessons for themselves with an 'ah-ha' moment. They can't take it from the advice of others who have already been there and came out having been better for it.
     
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    Poor people who can't work should receive a government stipend. Those who can should.
     
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    the min wage has not kept up with inflation

    we should tie the min wage to Congresses cost of living increases in their own pay, that would solve the issue
     
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    That would just remove more job opportunities for the poor.
     
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    Dems enjoy a super majority in CA and don't need republicans to allow anything.

    Results show that in spite of having the highest taxes,

    CA leads the nation in poverty.
    Schools rank with the lowest.
    Illness is at record levels.
    CA ranks highest in murder.
     
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    the right has always said this, never been true, my grandma made 50 cents an hour... by the rights logic people should still make that

    restrict foreign outsourcing and foreign imports if we want more job opportunity

    corporations have become too greedy, that is what is killing capitalism
     
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    Raise cost for labor and employers will choose someone better educated over someone less but willing to work for less.

    The real fix is to create a good labor market like Trump was doing pre Covid which makes the low cost labor rates competitive naturally raising rates.
     
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    you do know that no matter what the min wage is they do that right?

    Trump created part time jobs with low pay and benefits sadly
     
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    Evidence in Seattle shows job opportunities were limited and decreased with a mandated minimum wage increase.
     
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    fake news, and I am talking a federal wage increase, not a State increase
     
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    It will have the same outcome federally.
     
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    Countries with higher standards of living than us also have higher minimum wages. Don't believe me - look it up for yourself.
     
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    Oh,such a debbie downer you are!

    CA has the highest in everything because it has the most people, including among the most beautiful state to live in, the best weather of any other state, the most desirable state to live in ( evidence by 40,000,000 people choose to live here ) it is also the 5th largest economy in the world, with more affluence than any other state, it is also the nation's creative center, a largely unmolested coastline that is to die for, redwood forests, mountain resorts, beautiful deserts, and most diverse state, and you can go to sophomore in college for practically for free ( small semester fees plus books ) more quaint beach towns than any other state and no hurricanes or tornadoes. Not to mention San Diego, where I live:

    sandiegobeautiful.jpg
     
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    That would be because it can't. In fact because it isn't attached to production it is simply another inflationary pressure.
     
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    the min wage needs to keep up with inflation, it's fallen behind
     
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    Again it can't it just pushed inflation and in the end you wind up with most people making minimum and it's still not enough to live on and fewer and fewer entry level jobs. And a cup of over priced coffee at Starbucks will be even more over priced if you can get it at all.
     
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    Trump didn't create jobs. He removed restrictions on businesss and helped create the environment that allowed employers to expand, create jobs, and in doing so, created an employee shortage which drove pay rates up.

    No POTUS has 'created' jobs. They can only influence the environment. The employers are the ones who actually create the jobs.
     
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    With only 3% of the workforce actually earning minimum wage, and few that actually stay at FMW, it's not a wage paid for experienced, skilled labor unless they choose to stay in an unskilled position.
     
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    Neither has social security. In fact neither has the stock market.
     
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    Still on your wrong roll I see.
    Poverty - Mississippi
    Crime - Louisiana
    Education - Mississippi
    Homicide - Alabama
     
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    Absolutely false, median incomes were rising without minimum wage increases and there was a glut of GOOD jobs. That is how you raise incomes not through government fiat.
     
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    the min wage should be raising slowly with inflation like it did in the past

    the proplem is the min wage is so far behind, to catch up now would be harder to absorb, because of that and other things, a 1929 is coming

    like the huge Trump tax cuts would lower a cop of coffee, never happen, they sell things for what people will pay
     
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    The numbers are based on percentages, so population is taken into account. The fact that we are the 5th largest economy combined with the fact we pay the highest taxes makes the results (lack thereof) inexcusable. Why does the level of affluence excuse the huge gap between the rich and poor? Shouldn't the progressive ideology combined with high taxes shrink that gap? CA is also home to some of the most toxic beaches in the country, one of which is in your area.

    Knowledge of results is not being a Debbie Downer. I grew up in Los Angeles and love going to the beach (The clean ones) , taking the dirt bikes out to the dessert, riding my R1 through the canyons or on our great racetracks like Laguna Seca, snowboarding in Big Bear, and being a musician, being able to play in historic venues in Hollywood.

    I love CA and have never let our greedy, irresponsible politicians get in the way of enjoying life.
     
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    Sorry to ruin your GOTCHA moment, but CA leads in poverty. You forgot to adjust for the cost of living.
    https://www.politifact.com/factchec...alifornia-has-nations-highest-poverty-rate-w/

    I posted the murder rate, and CA leads.
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/mone...n-america-violent-crime-murder-rate/40968963/

    I said CA ranks with the lowest. Easy position to defend if you like.
     
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